kiffy Posted August 27, 2013 Report Share Posted August 27, 2013 Guys, I just saw an American website for Remington. It had the Wingmaster listed for $818 !!! How much can I pick one of these up for new in the U.K ? Anyone know where the cheapest deal is at the moment? Is it much better than the 870? How does the Mossberg500 compare? So many questions!!!! they are sold in the uk through edgar brothers, http://www.edgarbrothers.com i know theres dealer listings on there as ive seen them before but cant for the life of me find them now i have an express rather than the wingmaster so cant comment other than to say the wingmaster has real wood when the express has laminate and the finish to the gun itself is better on the wingmaster i didnt know how much difference it would make but last night i watched an agi video on making a home defence shotgun (i know we cant do that here) and the guy fettled quite a few parts inside to make it run better and stop any possible jams so maybe there is something behind the better internal finish on the wingmaster... but even though im new to 870 ownership ive yet to have a jam Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thepasty Posted August 27, 2013 Author Report Share Posted August 27, 2013 Is it much better than the 870? How does the Mossberg500 compare? I'd go for an original wingmaster, the 870 express is good but doesnt have the nice finish of the Wingmaster, the mossy 500 is a great gun but again quality isnt up there with the Wingmaster. I'd probably go for a mossy 500 over an 870 express tho, my bro's parkerised 870 express is a ****** for rust. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thepasty Posted August 27, 2013 Author Report Share Posted August 27, 2013 Wood is only good for keeping you warm and not just by burning it! My bro has a synth stock 870 and it sucks the heat out of his hands in winter but my old wood keep my pinkys nice and warm. On this basis alone I wouldnt go for a synth stock again, probably fine is you're PSG or whatever as you're not handling the gun for long, but a few hours mid winter in the field hunting will have your hands cold to the bone! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChAoS Posted August 27, 2013 Report Share Posted August 27, 2013 the guy fettled quite a few parts inside to make it run better and stop any possible jams On the American gun forums, the Old Timers will often recommend that owners of new 870 Expresses polish the chambers. It would appear that the Express chambers are often not well finished at the factory and, as a result, tend to give rise to FTEx problems. Regards, Mark. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sws Posted August 27, 2013 Report Share Posted August 27, 2013 Any of you guys know clay clubs / places to shoot in Norfolk / Suffolk that let you shoot pumps!? Phoned mid Norfolk club and they basically hung up when I mentioned pump action! Even offered to wear tweed :0) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kiffy Posted August 27, 2013 Report Share Posted August 27, 2013 although i always use my over/under on clays i have thought of taking the pump along... even if its just to "accidentally" slip a 64 gramm in when my mate has a go i have started going to two places in south wales, one is a small informal shoot where about a dozen of us turn up on a local farm on a sunday morning.. dont think they would care if i turned up with a punt gun other one is ferndale shooting club which has recently opened up with new owners, nice place and really nice people and they dont mind either its a shame some places are so funny. mine looks really different because of the stock/forend i have on it so i have purposly not taken it with me as i know i will get looks and comments, rather than buying another gun i am looking at using it for wildfowling soon so am thinking of putting a normal (ish) synthetic stock and forend on it just so it doesnt stand out so much Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elmer Fudd 1 Posted August 27, 2013 Report Share Posted August 27, 2013 congrats on being pinned btw i just looked at the first page of posts and couldn't help but notice that lovely unedited third post Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
throdgrain Posted August 28, 2013 Report Share Posted August 28, 2013 Pinned!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
neil smith Posted August 28, 2013 Report Share Posted August 28, 2013 (edited) lovely wood... if only I had an 870! My bro has an express he might want to upgrade to wood, I'll ask. and not just by burning it! My bro has a synth stock 870 and it sucks the heat out of his hands in winter but my old wood keep my pinkys nice and warm. On this basis alone I wouldnt go for a synth stock again, probably fine is you're PSG or whatever as you're not handling the gun for long, but a few hours mid winter in the field hunting will have your hands cold to the bone! Mate to be fair im just havinga bit of fun, its each to their own & I have no problem with wood guns, some of my closest friends will have nothing else. From my own perspective I find wood can feel a little "clammy" after a very wet days shooting, especially as some of the larger international matches can be 3-5 long days out in the rain without shelter, the guns get totally soaked & if it rains heavily day after day it is sometimes easier to care for a gun with plastic furniture on it, wood swells when wet & the finish on a "posh" wood stock can get spoilt, when the weather is wet only plastic can take it. 4I Edited to add, my congrats on getting this topic pinned, 41 pages of quality ! :-) Edited August 28, 2013 by neil smith Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kiffy Posted August 29, 2013 Report Share Posted August 29, 2013 Edited to add, my congrats on getting this topic pinned, 41 pages of quality ! :-) i dont know about that.. 41 pages of quality... nah, id say 40 as the other page is made up of my questions and worthless posts is nice to see a dedicated post for pumps though... its saved me asking loads more questions i like wood on a gun, but also like synthetic... i took the wood of my 870 as i wanted something different i had an old side by side for my traditional shooting (as if i do any) my over under for clays and wanted a fun gun... so after a nose on ebay bought willpoons agi stock set, i didnt even have the gun at the time as i was looking for a nice one then hedd-wyn contacted me and the deal was done.. and on getting it the wood came off... now im looking at using it for wildfowling (as im to tight to buy ahalf decent semi) so am going to remive the agi as it looks a bit rambo for some (i love it) and put a standard synthetic set on as its more water friendly than the wood Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thepasty Posted August 29, 2013 Author Report Share Posted August 29, 2013 Mate to be fair im just havinga bit of fun, Oh yeah I know that I was adding some real meat to the wood versus plastic debate for the chaps who havent tried both to compare. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Danoi99 Posted August 30, 2013 Report Share Posted August 30, 2013 I keep asking these questions, sorry but here goes: It don't look like I will be able to afford to buy the fabled Wingmaster after all !! Even though I struck a deal with the wife ( get down to 90 kg by end of Sept and I can buy a new gun ) I've gone down from 95.2 kg to 92.8 kg in 8 days !!! I am sick of having second hand stuff........this is gonna be my first new gun, so it needs to be a good'un. The guns I am looking at now are these..........Remington M887 Field 28" barrel, £495 ..................or the NItro-Mag 887, 3 1/2" chamber job, £575....................Mossberg 500, 28" barrel, £459 !! If you had to choose out of these three, which would you go for and why ? or would you still recommend a second hand WM ?? B) Or what else should I look at for around the £500 mark ?? Thanks for your help ( Cant wait to join the Pump Club ) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thepasty Posted August 30, 2013 Author Report Share Posted August 30, 2013 Benelli Supernova fits in that price bracket...just. But out of that lot I'd take the M887 Field. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
throdgrain Posted August 30, 2013 Report Share Posted August 30, 2013 SuperNova is about £650, surely ? Anyway, out of those three, I'd go with the Mossberg. Though I still say spend 3 or 4 hundred and get a 70s/80s Wingmaster, it will be better than any new gun, in my opinion. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wharf Rat Posted August 30, 2013 Report Share Posted August 30, 2013 They are all decent guns. See if you can handle them before you buy. I prefer a Remington on paper, but use my Mossberg a lot more as the ergonmics feel better to me. Got the Mossberg for just over £400 new. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChAoS Posted August 31, 2013 Report Share Posted August 31, 2013 I still say spend 3 or 4 hundred and get a 70s/80s Wingmaster Seconded. "New" doesn't *necessarily* equate to "better". Regards, Mark. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thepasty Posted August 31, 2013 Author Report Share Posted August 31, 2013 (edited) you can get a Supoernova for £600 if you play your RFD right Not that I'm a fan of the Supernova, I'd do as said by the others, get a good wingmaster... but if it really were me buying I'd get an old beat up wingmaster as I like my guns a bit ratty so that I'm not precious about them. Edited August 31, 2013 by thepasty Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kiffy Posted August 31, 2013 Report Share Posted August 31, 2013 still no idea how to find a value on my 870 stockset but ive put an ad in the sales section if anyones interested http://forums.pigeonwatch.co.uk/forums/topic/258644-remington-870-stock-forend/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theshootist Posted September 1, 2013 Report Share Posted September 1, 2013 (edited) Time for a picture of my 'new', old pump gun. Its an Ithica m37 featherweigh. It has a steel receiver and no rib. Its lighter tthan my browning bps. I like it. It also slam fires... I am undecided as to whether I should have it reblued, it was made in 1963 and has been well used for 50 years! Edited September 1, 2013 by theshootist Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
throdgrain Posted September 1, 2013 Report Share Posted September 1, 2013 That's a lovely thing mate. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thepasty Posted September 2, 2013 Author Report Share Posted September 2, 2013 no reblueing! it looks great the way it is! its spent years getting to look like that, reblueing will make it look like any other. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
neil smith Posted September 2, 2013 Report Share Posted September 2, 2013 no reblueing! it looks great the way it is! its spent years getting to look like that, reblueing will make it look like any other. Have to agree with that assesment, just like any other antique you should not deface it or the value falls away. N Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theshootist Posted September 2, 2013 Report Share Posted September 2, 2013 Its not a high value gun, but I take your point gents, I'm usually all for retaining patina, but in a gun that's had quite a hard life I thought that a reblue would offer more protection. Having said that a reblue would involve sanding down and removing metal.. I would also add that this gun has a nice crisp trigger and when it cycles sounds just like a pump gun does on the movies - ka-chunk-shunk! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChAoS Posted September 2, 2013 Report Share Posted September 2, 2013 Its not a high value gun Maybe, but some of us are quite fond of these ol' guns. You may already know this and I admit that I tend to harp on about it, but before you take it to bits, please read the manual - you take the stock off *before* taking out the trigger plate screw. Have fun with your new "baby". Regards, Mark. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thepasty Posted September 2, 2013 Author Report Share Posted September 2, 2013 (edited) Its not a high value gun, but I take your point gents, I'm usually all for retaining patina, but in a gun that's had quite a hard life I thought that a reblue would offer more protection. Having said that a reblue would involve sanding down and removing metal.. My Remmy 1100 looks like its been dragged behind a car for a couple of miles, big patches of bare metal on the receiver etc, I dont have issues with rust, just keep it well oiled as with any other gun. Oh and I love its rough looks... a proper "mans" gun... Edited September 2, 2013 by thepasty Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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