unapalomablanca Posted February 16, 2013 Report Share Posted February 16, 2013 You may well be aware that for a while now the bma have proposed an organ donation 'opt out' idea, where unless you have opted out in writing, then your organs can be used after your death. After thinking about this, i reckon its a good idea, it is still democratic but as in my case it takes the uneasy decision about organ donation out of your hands, in effect it makes up your mind for you iif you would like to donate but are too scared or whatever. When you think about little kids on dialysis machines or terribly sick adults who could be saved it seems a crime that so many valid organs end up in the crematorium, or under the ground. I think to save peoples lives is paramount, what does the forum think? Regards, una. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beretta06 Posted February 16, 2013 Report Share Posted February 16, 2013 I think it is a scandalous idea to be honest. Any programme that insists you opt out is usually because people don't want to voluntarily opt in. When the time comes, I want my whole body to be dead - not bits still wandering around. I also object to the thought my body would become Government property to cut up as they wish :-( Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jef Posted February 16, 2013 Report Share Posted February 16, 2013 I would rather have an option to select that my organs don't go to anyone that has self inflicted problems, i.e drugs or drink related. As far as everyone else in need, why wouldn't you donate? JF Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lumpy Posted February 16, 2013 Report Share Posted February 16, 2013 I think it is a scandalous idea to be honest. Any programme that insists you opt out is usually because people don't want to voluntarily opt in. When the time comes, I want my whole body to be dead - not bits still wandering around. I also object to the thought my body would become Government property to cut up as they wish :-( +1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
happypig Posted February 16, 2013 Report Share Posted February 16, 2013 IMHO help yourself. If you have sen the anguish of those waiting on lists for transplants.... Imagine if that was one of your nearest and dearest.... A good idea... If you don't like it... Opt out IMHO help yourself. If you have sen the anguish of those waiting on lists for transplants.... Imagine if that was one of your nearest and dearest.... A good idea... If you don't like it... Opt out Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
castletyne Posted February 16, 2013 Report Share Posted February 16, 2013 Good idea if you want just say no Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leeds chimp Posted February 16, 2013 Report Share Posted February 16, 2013 I think it is a scandalous idea to be honest. Any programme that insists you opt out is usually because people don't want to voluntarily opt in. When the time comes, I want my whole body to be dead - not bits still wandering around. I also object to the thought my body would become Government property to cut up as they wish :-( so you never had a friend that has died due to heart problems at the ripe old age of 24 then?!!!!!Sorry to say but I think that is a very selfish attiutude and the thought that I could help others after I have gone sits very well with me...to me I have said take the whole lot if its of any use as you cant take it with you (ps thats your opinion and you are entitled to it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beretta06 Posted February 16, 2013 Report Share Posted February 16, 2013 (edited) so you never had a friend that has died due to heart problems at the ripe old age of 24 then?!!!!! Sorry to say but I think that is a very selfish attiutude and the thought that I could help others after I have gone sits very well with me...to me I have said take the whole lot if its of any use as you cant take it with you (ps thats your opinion and you are entitled to it No, never had a friend die due to heart problems at 24. But, my sister died at 27 due to lung failure. She refused to go on the donor recipient list as she believed in the same 'when I'm dead I want to be completely dead' theory as me. I would never expect to receive what I won't give. It's not selfish, it is just a different belief to yours. We have an obsession in the post-modern world with everyone living forever, I don't agree with that either. Edited for typos. Edited February 16, 2013 by Beretta06 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bloke Posted February 16, 2013 Report Share Posted February 16, 2013 I am all for it, all the people that say"It's just an excuse for them to not 'see' your card and take your organs anyway" needn't worry, with an opt-out scheme they will have all they need! What concerns me more is what I saw while still Nursing - when you die, the relatives were often asked if they minded your organs being harvested, even though you carried a donor card! I worked with several families who had this happen, they couldn't face the thought of their loved one being "hacked about", and so they said no, only to become more traumatised later, when they realised they had gone against the dead person's last wishes! Everyone to their own I suppose, I can't see why people are worried about what happens to their body after they die, unless you are of the religious persuasion that insists you are whole for the resurrection etc. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lumpy Posted February 16, 2013 Report Share Posted February 16, 2013 (edited) so you never had a friend that has died due to heart problems at the ripe old age of 24 then? !!!!! Sorry to say but I think that is a very selfish attiutude and the thought that I could help others after I have gone sits very well with me...to me I have said take the whole lot if its of any use as you cant take it with you (ps thats your opinion and you are entitled to it TBH my friends and family would be welcome to anything of use to them but there is far to many people out there that i would'nt want to survive any longer than neccesary. Edited February 16, 2013 by lumpy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leeds chimp Posted February 16, 2013 Report Share Posted February 16, 2013 (edited) No, never had a friend die due to heart problems at 24. But, my sister died at 27 due to lung failure. She refused to go on the donor recipient list as she believed in the same 'when I'm dead I want to be completely dead' theory as me. I would never expect to receive what I won't give. It's not selfish, it is just a different belief to yours. We have an obsession in the post-modern world with everyone living forever, I don't agree with that either. Edited for typos. i personally believe it is as you are giving up the chance to help others that would benefit from the gift of life....that is what organ donation boils down to...giving life to someone else edit to add its not a case of living forever....just not gone too soon.... Edited February 16, 2013 by leeds chimp Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pole Star Posted February 16, 2013 Report Share Posted February 16, 2013 The sooner artificial organs are perfected the better then we wont have to go organ begging or stealing ( that's happened too ! ) If some one wishes to donate then thats their wish but stealing from the dead because they cant object is shameful ! its the same as the Chinese who use executed prisoners as a source of organs . We live in a democracy not a dictatorship ! or so we think ? . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fergie Posted February 16, 2013 Report Share Posted February 16, 2013 I am maybe a bit biased having received a heart transplant but how many lives will be saved due to people who can not be bothered to opt out?? and once your dead you dont need them any more, I was 24 when I got mine married with one child i am still married but have a 2nd child had i not received a heart my wife would have been a widow and my child in a one parent family Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AVB Posted February 16, 2013 Report Share Posted February 16, 2013 I respect peoples' different views on this. Whilst I hope I am never in the position to do so I hope I would have the strength to donate the organs of a loved one of mine. Or that if I died and my organs could be used then sombody could make a decison on my behalf. However we each have our own body for us to use as we wish and if somebody, such as Beretta06, has a different view then he shouldn't have to opt out. It's his body. I believe there should be a change so that doctors must ask whether the next of kin has considered donating organs. At present (unless it has changed) a doctor isn't compelled to ask (obviously they do have to ask if an organ is wanted) the next of kin whether they have considered donating. Somebody I know wasn't asked and in the stress of the situation didn't offer. They regret to this day that the organs weren't used (not sure if they would have been wanted but likely) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pole Star Posted February 16, 2013 Report Share Posted February 16, 2013 Good on you Fergie & I have no problem with it but when I am done if I want any part of me to go on living then I will offer it but the state has no right to take it . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
goodo123 Posted February 16, 2013 Report Share Posted February 16, 2013 Their is already a organ donation register so why change it? If people want to donate then it's easy enough to register, I don't see why people should be made to opt out, the whole idea of this system seems like it's gonna give the government our bodies as their property. I'm not saying it's part of a bigger plan to take more control of our lives off us or a way for the government to gain more power however it does make you think.... If this gets passed or if it has then surely they are narrowing our freedoms.... Where will it stop... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pole Star Posted February 16, 2013 Report Share Posted February 16, 2013 Their is already a organ donation register so why change it? If people want to donate then it's easy enough to register, I don't see why people should be made to opt out, the whole idea of this system seems like it's gonna give the government our bodies as their property. I'm not saying it's part of a bigger plan to take more control of our lives off us or a way for the government to gain more power however it does make you think.... If this gets passed or if it has then surely they are narrowing our freedoms.... Where will it stop... + 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AVB Posted February 16, 2013 Report Share Posted February 16, 2013 Their is already a organ donation register so why change it? If people want to donate then it's easy enough to register, I don't see why people should be made to opt out, the whole idea of this system seems like it's gonna give the government our bodies as their property. I'm not saying it's part of a bigger plan to take more control of our lives off us or a way for the government to gain more power however it does make you think.... If this gets passed or if it has then surely they are narrowing our freedoms.... Where will it stop... Why change it? well obviously becuase not enough organs are being donated. I am not saying that the 'opt-out' proposal is the right thing but surely doing nothing isn't an option either. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pole Star Posted February 16, 2013 Report Share Posted February 16, 2013 Why change it? well obviously becuase not enough organs are being donated. I am not saying that the 'opt-out' proposal is the right thing but surely doing nothing isn't an option either. If not enough are being donated then maybe its the public's wishes Donor cards have been on offer for years so if you wish to carry one then by all means do that's not a problem . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CharlieT Posted February 16, 2013 Report Share Posted February 16, 2013 Their is already a organ donation register so why change it? If people want to donate then it's easy enough to register, I don't see why people should be made to opt out, the whole idea of this system seems like it's gonna give the government our bodies as their property. I'm not saying it's part of a bigger plan to take more control of our lives off us or a way for the government to gain more power however it does make you think.... If this gets passed or if it has then surely they are narrowing our freedoms.... Where will it stop... I agree entirely. I have carried an organ donation card for years and I registered on the database when it first started. However I feel the opt out idea is disgraceful and smacks too much of big brother for my liking. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welsh1 Posted February 16, 2013 Report Share Posted February 16, 2013 I carry a donor card stating all my parts are up for grabs, all my family know my wishes so job done. BUT if you insist on everyone becoming donors then you open a can of worms,aside from the state basically laying claim to your body,which i think is wrong,there is the very real possibility of you being hastened toward your end if you are seriously ill in a hospital. Before you all start shouting that will never happen think carefully,we are already seeing the tip of the iceberg about supposed"care pathway"treatment,and i don't think it is a huge step of the imagination to have a scenario where you are in hospital,it is touch and go whether you survive,you might if you are given the right treatment at the right time, and a young person with kidney failure is desperate for a kidney in the next 48 hours in the opposite ward.Think about it,who would know,and a young life saved.Far fetched,again read about this care pathway and tell me that everyone was treated properly. A slippery slope when the government and the medical world take control of our bodies. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
overandunder2012 Posted February 16, 2013 Report Share Posted February 16, 2013 A slippery slope when the government and the medical world take control of our bodies on this i have to agree but i do like the idea of more people being saved. jurys still out on this for me Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pole Star Posted February 16, 2013 Report Share Posted February 16, 2013 I carry a donor card stating all my parts are up for grabs, all my family know my wishes so job done. BUT if you insist on everyone becoming donors then you open a can of worms,aside from the state basically laying claim to your body,which i think is wrong,there is the very real possibility of you being hastened toward your end if you are seriously ill in a hospital. Before you all start shouting that will never happen think carefully,we are already seeing the tip of the iceberg about supposed"care pathway"treatment,and i don't think it is a huge step of the imagination to have a scenario where you are in hospital,it is touch and go whether you survive,you might if you are given the right treatment at the right time, and a young person with kidney failure is desperate for a kidney in the next 48 hours in the opposite ward.Think about it,who would know,and a young life saved.Far fetched,again read about this care pathway and tell me that everyone was treated properly. A slippery slope when the government and the medical world take control of our bodies. Its not far fetched at all they already want to diss arm us ! ( lets not go there ) . Artificial organs can not be far away now & did any one see the amazing documentary on the tv very recently called the Bionic Man I think it was ? . A fascinating insight on just how far things are going ! they even implanted a microchip into some ones eye & this blind person had the ability to see light & shapes to some degree so what next ? . The great thing when these are perfected is then we wont have to " half wish some young person will loose their live so some else will live " . Harsh words perhaps but that is the truth of it ! so the sooner we get artificial organs perfected the better . As for George Best getting a new liver ? !. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ROY Posted February 16, 2013 Report Share Posted February 16, 2013 If it ain't doing me any good any more then your more than welcome to it!!! Mind you if theres anything worth having from my poor addled old body i would be very surprised. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mungler Posted February 16, 2013 Report Share Posted February 16, 2013 Help yourself, I'll be dead and won't give a monkeys. Nice to think the dead can give life to the living. Well, that would be the less selfish dead though eh? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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