cockercas Posted March 21, 2013 Report Share Posted March 21, 2013 (edited) So how would you guys fix into this? Ive just put the brickwork around this new timber build. Its construction is just two sheets of 15/18mm osb board and its stuck together with blue foam.a stud at either end of the building.its equiverlant to 12inch of kingspan. They make a jig of the walls of the building and cut all the osb to size, then they pump the foam in at high pressure and it sets. Its load bearing but you carnt get a fixing into the foam. So how would you tackel this? Edited March 21, 2013 by cockercas Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kent Posted March 21, 2013 Report Share Posted March 21, 2013 By fitting to the floor joists, safe laid out flat Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cockercas Posted March 21, 2013 Author Report Share Posted March 21, 2013 Woops forgot to add pic. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cockercas Posted March 21, 2013 Author Report Share Posted March 21, 2013 By fitting to the floor joists, safe laid out flat Eco joists, no chance of fixing into them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jackinbox99 Posted March 21, 2013 Report Share Posted March 21, 2013 Eco joists, no chance of fixing into them. Is there nothing solid in the structure of the house? How about up the loft with the beams etc? Id be tempted to pull up some floor boards, and dump a load of concrete in there to give me something solid to bolt it to. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cockercas Posted March 21, 2013 Author Report Share Posted March 21, 2013 Is there nothing solid in the structure of the house? How about up the loft with the beams etc? Id be tempted to pull up some floor boards, and dump a load of concrete in there to give me something solid to bolt it to. Concreet floor downstairs, underfloor heating in the slab. No loft, its all valted celings. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RED BEARD Posted March 21, 2013 Report Share Posted March 21, 2013 if you don't want to drill the floor cast your self a plinth of about 8" thick (containing mesh) then mount the layed flat cabinet to it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cockercas Posted March 21, 2013 Author Report Share Posted March 21, 2013 if you don't want to drill the floor cast your self a plinth of about 8" thick (containing mesh) then mount the layed flat cabinet to it. Im only working there mate, not fitting a cabinet. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IXI KARL IXI Posted March 21, 2013 Report Share Posted March 21, 2013 If there is nothing on the walls ie no plasterboard yet and you can get to the otherside of the board/wall. You could: make a steel plate/ steel flat bar frame and weld bolts coming off it matching the bolting pattern on the said safe/cabinet, then weld thread rods the length of the thickness of the wall, drill though wall then tighten nuts onto the rods at other end with square pressure plates or big washers then plasterboard over. Just make sure the nuts are locked off well or even welded in place. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cockercas Posted March 21, 2013 Author Report Share Posted March 21, 2013 If there is nothing on the walls ie no plasterboard yet and you can get to the otherside of the board/wall. You could: make a steel plate/ steel flat bar frame and weld bolts coming off it matching the bolting pattern on the said safe/cabinet, then weld thread rods the length of the thickness of the wall, drill though wall then tighten nuts onto the rods at other end with square pressure plates or big washers then plasterboard over. Just make sure the nuts are locked off well or even welded in place. Its all bricked in now, and you would bridge the thermal barrier. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IXI KARL IXI Posted March 21, 2013 Report Share Posted March 21, 2013 Are the interior walls made of that stuff or is it standard stud work? seems a right mare. Move house or not buy that one lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IXI KARL IXI Posted March 21, 2013 Report Share Posted March 21, 2013 Just read further up your just working there and not needing to install a cab. I was about to the pad and pens out lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cockercas Posted March 21, 2013 Author Report Share Posted March 21, 2013 Are the interior walls made of that stuff or is it standard stud work? seems a right mare. Move house or not buy that one lol The whole house is made of it. Every interior wall is made of it. Its a poo design really. To tie the brickwork to the house stainless steel dog ties and stainless nails were specifid. I can pull them out with my hand. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
polester Posted March 21, 2013 Report Share Posted March 21, 2013 What goes over the osb on the inside? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IXI KARL IXI Posted March 21, 2013 Report Share Posted March 21, 2013 (edited) Scary that, I guess that's how these houses go up so quick tho. Edited March 21, 2013 by IXI KARL IXI Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cockercas Posted March 21, 2013 Author Report Share Posted March 21, 2013 What goes over the osb on the inside? Plasterboard screwed on and then skimmed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
polester Posted March 21, 2013 Report Share Posted March 21, 2013 The only way I can think of is to fix some 25mm MDF with lots of heavy duty plasterboard fixings and fix the cabinet through the mdf and osb. At the end of the day if somebody wants to rip a wall down to get your cabinet no much will stop them Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IXI KARL IXI Posted March 21, 2013 Report Share Posted March 21, 2013 I guess on the internal walls you could use the method I had mentioned. I helped a lad/mate in the same apartment block I lived fit one on a internal stud wall. Made a steel frame from a RSJ and a thick steel plate (what is used to cover holes in the road) on the back all fully seam welded mounted onto beefed up stud work with a box section cage. It was sunk in the wall about 3-4 inches then plaster boarded round. It wasn't plaster boarded until the guy had came out to ok build so they could see the steel work. You would have had to tear down a wall and have at least six guys if not more to take it away. To be honest the safe would have gave out before the metal work. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
figgy Posted March 21, 2013 Report Share Posted March 21, 2013 I would just fix it to the floor or internal wall with bolts through some large square steel washers welded on. It's only to slow down a theft, as said if determined they will get in. Figgy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
andypaint Posted March 22, 2013 Report Share Posted March 22, 2013 Grip fill and plenty of it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul T Posted March 22, 2013 Report Share Posted March 22, 2013 The whole house is made of it. Every interior wall is made of it. Its a poo design really. To tie the brickwork to the house stainless steel dog ties and stainless nails were specifid. I can pull them out with my hand. It's made from a SIP (Structural Insulated Panel) system, which was originally brought in by Kingspan, though a few other manufacturers have bought into it now. I've designed a couple of large houses with it and I think it's a great system. The BBA certificate >>link here<< suggests spax head screws for the ties (see page 4), not nails, but I have heard one manufacturer supplies ties with annular ring shanks. I'd specify screws on mine, but either way they shouldn't pull out easily. If I was fixing a cabinet to it, I'd cut out the plasterboard slightly smaller than the cabinet. Fix a decent quality 12mm thick ply pattress in the hole and bolt the cabinet through the ply and OSB. Job done and plenty strong enough - looks neat too... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul223 Posted March 22, 2013 Report Share Posted March 22, 2013 as above but trim out the osb for a made to measure set of captive strapped bolts (to leave studs sticking out of the wall), then glue the ply to the osb using some polyurethane glue (lots of Pu glue!) then fix cabinet up to wall with some nuts ....... job jobbed! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cockercas Posted March 22, 2013 Author Report Share Posted March 22, 2013 It's made from a SIP (Structural Insulated Panel) system, which was originally brought in by Kingspan, though a few other manufacturers have bought into it now. I've designed a couple of large houses with it and I think it's a great system. The BBA certificate >>link here<< suggests spax head screws for the ties (see page 4), not nails, but I have heard one manufacturer supplies ties with annular ring shanks. I'd specify screws on mine, but either way they shouldn't pull out easily. If I was fixing a cabinet to it, I'd cut out the plasterboard slightly smaller than the cabinet. Fix a decent quality 12mm thick ply pattress in the hole and bolt the cabinet through the ply and OSB. Job done and plenty strong enough - looks neat too... http://forums.pigeonwatch.co.uk/forums/public/style_emoticons/#EMO_DIR#/good.gif Yes ring shanks was used to tie brickwork in. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Al Posted March 22, 2013 Report Share Posted March 22, 2013 Chimney breast? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Asa Bear Posted March 22, 2013 Report Share Posted March 22, 2013 Grip fill and plenty of it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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