guest1957 Posted March 21, 2013 Report Share Posted March 21, 2013 Employees that feel valued will be worth many times their wage. Those that don't will do the bare minimum. It will quickly be clear to people you employ if you are a resentful employer and you will be rewarded accordingly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Willxx Posted March 21, 2013 Report Share Posted March 21, 2013 It's also worth knowing that staff on maternity leave still accrue holidays while they're off Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JustJon Posted March 22, 2013 Report Share Posted March 22, 2013 And have to be paid their bonus Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thunderbird Posted March 22, 2013 Report Share Posted March 22, 2013 What about hiring them through a temp agency instead? Will cost you more but avoids being tied up with holiday pay, maternity etc? No it doesn't, temps get both. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
artschool Posted March 22, 2013 Report Share Posted March 22, 2013 (edited) And have to be paid their bonus Mustn't forget the bonus. What about their mileage allowance? They need to get to their coffee mornings. Edited March 22, 2013 by artschool Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kent Posted March 22, 2013 Report Share Posted March 22, 2013 Employees that feel valued will be worth many times their wage. Those that don't will do the bare minimum. It will quickly be clear to people you employ if you are a resentful employer and you will be rewarded accordingly. Well said that man. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JonathanL Posted March 22, 2013 Report Share Posted March 22, 2013 Employing people is a nightmare, to be honest. If you can avoid doing it then do so. I've seen people who run small businesses have breakdowns because of staff problems. The law seems to have been drafted for large companies where employee problems are dealt with by other employees who don't really care about the outcome and who still get paid whatever the outcome. It's different when its your own business and is usually far more stressful. Make sure you have the best insurance protection you can afford. At the first sign of someone getting uppity then let the insurance company know and do everything they say to the letter. That way if you end up losing a claim they will pay out. I'm not sure it's still the case but I think you can still operate a discriminatory hiring policy as long as you don't advertise the job. So, you can have a policy of not employing women or any other sector as long as you don't advertise the job. So, you can hav a policy of approaching only men or only people over 40 and asking them to work for you but you can't do that after you have advertised the position. J. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dekers Posted March 22, 2013 Author Report Share Posted March 22, 2013 (edited) This is a new venture in a new(ish) area for me. Associated business has led me to numerous dealings with both of these girls and time has shown their worth. Their experience, skill, drive and performance has led to their inclusion in the new company, we all need each other to make this work so it isn't a matter of finding old men to do the job. I'm on a fact finding mission at the moment, this is going to cost a lot to get up and running and I'm looking at the business plan, and taking advice, simply as. Cheers Edited March 22, 2013 by Dekers Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dekers Posted March 22, 2013 Author Report Share Posted March 22, 2013 Employees that feel valued will be worth many times their wage. Those that don't will do the bare minimum. It will quickly be clear to people you employ if you are a resentful employer and you will be rewarded accordingly. Well said that man. I have no idea where that came from and just because any employee is valued and looked after it doesn't stop them having babies! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JustJon Posted March 22, 2013 Report Share Posted March 22, 2013 Why not ask them to invest and be partners? Then their critical skills are tied in and highly motivated? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dekers Posted March 22, 2013 Author Report Share Posted March 22, 2013 (edited) Why not ask them to invest and be partners? Then their critical skills are tied in and highly motivated? This is getting too deep for this forum, they are bringing their skills to the party, I'm bringing the money, we need each other, thats why I need to get information, "IF" they leave I'm in the brown stuff! Edited March 22, 2013 by Dekers Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mrs Sweepy Posted March 22, 2013 Report Share Posted March 22, 2013 Why can't you employ the older type , Guessing am what classed as the older type Ive just had four days off sick And it now looks like i might be off for a lot longer at some point in the year So maybe just dont employ us ladies full stop xxxxSuzy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nial Posted March 22, 2013 Report Share Posted March 22, 2013 they won't pass the test As a general guide as to whether a worker is an employee or self-employed; if the answer is 'Yes' to all of the following questions, then the worker is probably an employee: Do they have to do the work themselves? Can someone tell them at any time what to do, where to carry out the work or when and how to do it? Can they work a set amount of hours? Can someone move them from task to task? Conversely if they answer No to any of those the relationship might not be one of employment. If the answer is 'Yes' to all of the following questions, it will usually mean that the worker is self-employed: Yes to _any_ of the following can mean the relationship is one of self-employment as these are things employees aren't expected to do. Can they hire someone to do the work or engage helpers at their own expense? Do they risk their own money? Do they provide the main items of equipment they need to do their job, not just the small tools that many employees provide for themselves? Do they agree to do a job for a fixed price regardless of how long the job may take? Can they decide what work to do, how and when to do the work and where to provide the services? Do they regularly work for a number of different people? Do they have to correct unsatisfactory work in their own time and at their own expense? Nial (self employed for the last 13 years). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kent Posted March 22, 2013 Report Share Posted March 22, 2013 I have no idea where that came from and just because any employee is valued and looked after it doesn't stop them having babies!No it doesn't stop them getting sick either or many other things besides that could cost. But it tends to stop them taking the proverbial. Two of our friends have had children (in one case their first) at 40+ so were is the cut off point. My own wife was refused progression in her early job in practice for this very reason, it was nearly a decade later she had our first and it must be real satisfying that she now gets to embarrass said previous guy as a contractor to her company. I do realise your issues but if the plan isn't robust enough without them then its not a good plan to invest in it. What if their current employer don't want to loose them and offers them a substantial rise to not leave or worse return? what if they think if he needs us why do we need him? and raise the funding themselves? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kent Posted March 22, 2013 Report Share Posted March 22, 2013 Employing people is a nightmare, to be honest. If you can avoid doing it then do so. I've seen people who run small businesses have breakdowns because of staff problems. The law seems to have been drafted for large companies where employee problems are dealt with by other employees who don't really care about the outcome and who still get paid whatever the outcome. It's different when its your own business and is usually far more stressful. Make sure you have the best insurance protection you can afford. At the first sign of someone getting uppity then let the insurance company know and do everything they say to the letter. That way if you end up losing a claim they will pay out. I'm not sure it's still the case but I think you can still operate a discriminatory hiring policy as long as you don't advertise the job. So, you can have a policy of not employing women or any other sector as long as you don't advertise the job. So, you can hav a policy of approaching only men or only people over 40 and asking them to work for you but you can't do that after you have advertised the position. J. The last statement is incorrect and to make things worse some over qualified people of ethnicity or sex even other things that put them in a minority then take advantage by giving bad interview then suing for discrimination - not kidding ! After a certain size of company you need to be aware of the general mix you employ, yes even getting the factors wrong can drop you in it! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
artschool Posted March 22, 2013 Report Share Posted March 22, 2013 Conversely if they answer No to any of those the relationship might not be one of employment. Yes to _any_ of the following can mean the relationship is one of self-employment as these are things employees aren't expected to do. Nial (self employed for the last 13 years). i am just quoting the HMRC website. Artschool(self employed and employer of other persons, 8 years ) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dekers Posted March 22, 2013 Author Report Share Posted March 22, 2013 No it doesn't stop them getting sick either or many other things besides that could cost. But it tends to stop them taking the proverbial. Two of our friends have had children (in one case their first) at 40+ so were is the cut off point. My own wife was refused progression in her early job in practice for this very reason, it was nearly a decade later she had our first and it must be real satisfying that she now gets to embarrass said previous guy as a contractor to her company. I do realise your issues but if the plan isn't robust enough without them then its not a good plan to invest in it. What if their current employer don't want to loose them and offers them a substantial rise to not leave or worse return? what if they think if he needs us why do we need him? and raise the funding themselves? Why do you think I'm looking at this? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ME Posted March 22, 2013 Report Share Posted March 22, 2013 Employ transvestites? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dougy Posted March 22, 2013 Report Share Posted March 22, 2013 (edited) Just completed a NEBOSH NGC 1 & 2 dont forget that you will need to do a full risk assessment work carried out by expectant mothers. And possible areas in the work place that could affect either them or the unborn child The Management of Health and Safety at Work Regulation 1999 section 16/17/18 edit for a silly spelling mistake Edited March 22, 2013 by Dougy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kent Posted March 22, 2013 Report Share Posted March 22, 2013 Why do you think I'm looking at this? I get that but there are so many other factors besides I think considering maternity leave that may or may never effect you as a bit daft, there's obviously not enough profit there if such things need thinking through Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
artschool Posted March 22, 2013 Report Share Posted March 22, 2013 kent, do you run a small business as well? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ME Posted March 22, 2013 Report Share Posted March 22, 2013 I have employed three women over the years and all were too much grief. Just got shot of my last ever female employee. What kind of business is this anyway Dekers? If it isn't a knocking shop / day nursery / beauticians then employ men. Stick some photos up of these women and we can decide whether they are likely to get pregnant by the reactions on here p.s. have they got big jugs? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chrispti Posted March 22, 2013 Report Share Posted March 22, 2013 (edited) Employ the ugliest woman you can find, ones that 20 pints of beer could'nt make look good ...... will greatly reduce the risk of any maternity leave in the future. Edited March 22, 2013 by chrispti Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thunderbird Posted March 22, 2013 Report Share Posted March 22, 2013 I'm not sure it's still the case but I think you can still operate a discriminatory hiring policy as long as you don't advertise the job. J. No you most certainly can't. I'm not saying it doesn't happen because of course it does, but it ain't legal. The onus in practice is on larger firms to engage in stuff like recruitment diversity, such as if their factory is next to a ghetto, are they actually advertising within the ghetto, so to speak. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thunderbird Posted March 22, 2013 Report Share Posted March 22, 2013 (edited) Stick some photos up of these women and we can decide whether they are likely to get pregnant by the reactions on here Edited March 22, 2013 by Thunderbird Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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