bazzab Posted March 28, 2013 Report Share Posted March 28, 2013 We can't deal in what if's unfortunately. It was not a kid, it was a dog. Cautioned for what? If the laws not been broken you can't caution someone for it. Thats pretty much my point. Laws need changing to make people control there dogs. They have huge potential to be such dangerous things they can be purchased by any half wit and allowed to run riot. It needs changing. And now. Typical of this country just do what ya want. harry i really cant believe you quoted this, seems to me you obviously didn,t think before you typed, a dog was attacked by obviously an animal that should be mussled or kept on a lead or both,Prevention is better than Cure. now if it happened to me i would not be able to sleep at night wondering if it would be someones child that would be next i personally think the police should enquire as to WHY this dog attacked another,but having the attitude you just had , its no wonder the public have lost all respect and faith in the police force,not me myself but the vast majority of the public Couldn't agree more mate. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
andypaint Posted March 28, 2013 Report Share Posted March 28, 2013 I've got 2 English bull terriers and have had them for over 30 years. They are not a dog for novice dog owners they are very determined, headstrong, and can be possessive and over excited. They need to be trained with very firm rules as the breed will push its luck and a battle of wills commences. But once they realise they are not the boss they are the most entertaining, loyal and loving breed. But I must stress again not for novice dog owners who don't realise how dominant they can be. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dirty Harry Posted March 28, 2013 Report Share Posted March 28, 2013 harry i really cant believe you quoted this, seems to me you obviously didn,t think before you typed, a dog was attacked by obviously an animal that should be mussled or kept on a lead or both,Prevention is better than Cure. now if it happened to me i would not be able to sleep at night wondering if it would be someones child that would be next i personally think the police should enquire as to WHY this dog attacked another,but having the attitude you just had , its no wonder the public have lost all respect and faith in the police force,not me myself but the vast majority of the public I did think before I typed and I stand by what I said. If don't make the law and moaning at me on a forum won't change it either. Do you think the police should investigate every allegation of a dog biting another? I can almost guarantee there will always be counter allegations and the jobs would never get to court. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pesky pigeon Posted March 28, 2013 Report Share Posted March 28, 2013 We can't deal in what if's unfortunately. It was not a kid, it was a dog. Cautioned for what? If the laws not been broken you can't caution someone for it. is it not the law to walk a dog on lead ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dirty Harry Posted March 28, 2013 Report Share Posted March 28, 2013 No Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Asa Bear Posted March 28, 2013 Report Share Posted March 28, 2013 (edited) NoRoad traffic act 1988. It is an offence to have a dog on a designated road without it being held on a lead. How about this? https://www.gov.uk/control-dog-public/overview **** happens between dogs but if it happens on a public road where there could be schoolchildren surely something should be done. Edited March 28, 2013 by Logo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gordon R Posted March 28, 2013 Report Share Posted March 28, 2013 (edited) I think what you are referring to would require the Local Authority to pass a Bye Law, making it compulsory for a dog to be on lead. Edited March 28, 2013 by Gordon R Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Asa Bear Posted March 28, 2013 Report Share Posted March 28, 2013 Too many anomalies. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dirty Harry Posted March 28, 2013 Report Share Posted March 28, 2013 **** happens between dogs but if it happens on a public road where there could be schoolchildren surely something should be done. It's still dog against dog and unless the dog was deliberately set on someone or something or someone is hurt nothing is likely to happen. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
andypaint Posted March 28, 2013 Report Share Posted March 28, 2013 Not wanting to mix threads. But there is also a current thread about a dog and a car thief. If everyone is trying to ban the more muscular and aggressive dogs. What would have happened if that chaps wife didn't have alsations and just had a little westie? I bet she was very grateful knowing that these breeds are around. People think differently about certain breeds when it suits. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Asa Bear Posted March 28, 2013 Report Share Posted March 28, 2013 It's still dog against dog and unless the dog was deliberately set on someone or something or someone is hurt nothing is likely to happen. The law states it is against the law to let a dog be dangerously out of control. Your dog is considered dangerously out of control if it makes someone worried that it might injure them. Just saying. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dirty Harry Posted March 29, 2013 Report Share Posted March 29, 2013 The law states it is against the law to let a dog be dangerously out of control. Your dog is considered dangerously out of control if it makes someone worried that it might injure them. Just saying. Ok so your walking your dog and a passer by is frightened by your dog because it barked at her and she thinks it might injure her. She reports it to the police. Would you expect the police to make a full investigation and for you to be prosecuted, sent to prison, fined or banned from keeping dogs? Just saying..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bazzab Posted March 29, 2013 Report Share Posted March 29, 2013 All that is irrelevant. A very friendly innocent lovely dog was attacked and injured. Thankfully hes ok. So back on track hey. Something concrete needs putting in place to police/control dog ownership. Way to many idiots own dogs with no clue now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
westmids1987 Posted March 29, 2013 Report Share Posted March 29, 2013 All that is irrelevant. A very friendly innocent lovely dog was attacked and injured. Thankfully hes ok. So back on track hey. Something concrete needs putting in place to police/control dog ownership. Way to many idiots own dogs with no clue now. Agree something needs to be done but not sure what the answer is,get caught roamin the streets with a knife or gun expect jail time,but any tom **** or harry can buy a dog train it to be a beast an nothing can be done untill it harms a person in a public place, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave-G Posted March 29, 2013 Report Share Posted March 29, 2013 Ok so your walking your dog and a passer by is frightened by your dog because it barked at her and she thinks it might injure her. She reports it to the police. Would you expect the police to make a full investigation and for you to be prosecuted, sent to prison, fined or banned from keeping dogs? Just saying..... I'm only playing devils advocate here mind. Isn't it more about what is perceived? Examples: what if she was an ethnic minority who felt threatened. B) Or someone feeling offended by something they interpret as racist. Or a man with a face mask has taken a legitimate shot just inside a field next to a highway and someone walking by was frightened he might shoot them... I think each of those would result in a very quick police response. Not picking an argument here: Just that the same standards should apply if the guy who's dog got bitten might have perceived it was in fact a dog that looked like it could be a banned one. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Imperfection Posted March 29, 2013 Report Share Posted March 29, 2013 the police told me to phone dog warden when the wife phoned warden she was told the law is being changed at the time of call and its now a police matter but depending on who we speak to as to weather or not they know that but to insist they check it out, colin Several years ago a particular dog round here was responsible for nailing atleast a dozen other dogs including mine and despite everyone reporting it nothing was ever done because it was a civil matter.So even with what you have just said i wouldnt hold your breath that the good officers of Grey Friars will pursue this and this isnt a critism of the Police either. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dirty Harry Posted March 29, 2013 Report Share Posted March 29, 2013 All that is irrelevant. A very friendly innocent lovely dog was attacked and injured. Thankfully hes ok. So back on track hey. Something concrete needs putting in place to police/control dog ownership. Way to many idiots own dogs with no clue now. What do you suggest then. How would you legislate to control dog ownership and deal with every dog bite incident. Full details please or would you rather just sit there typing something needs to done and jumping on the band wagon. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Asa Bear Posted March 29, 2013 Report Share Posted March 29, 2013 Ok so your walking your dog and a passer by is frightened by your dog because it barked at her and she thinks it might injure her. She reports it to the police. Would you expect the police to make a full investigation and for you to be prosecuted, sent to prison, fined or banned from keeping dogs? Just saying..... I don't write the law mate. If my dog was not on a lead and had frightened somebody then in the eyes of the law it was a dog out of control. Up to you to investigate. Just saying Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dirty Harry Posted March 29, 2013 Report Share Posted March 29, 2013 I'm only playing devils advocate here mind. Isn't it more about what is perceived? Examples: what if she was an ethnic minority who felt threatened. B) Or someone feeling offended by something they interpret as racist. Or a man with a face mask has taken a legitimate shot just inside a field next to a highway and someone walking by was frightened he might shoot them... I think each of those would result in a very quick police response. Not picking an argument here: Just that the same standards should apply if the guy who's dog got bitten might have perceived it was in fact a dog that looked like it could be a banned one. Perception is the problem. Someone who is frightened of dogs who thinks all Staffordshire Bull terriers are killers could phone the police and say they felt threatened and believed the dog was going to injure them. You might see the same incident and think the dog is just wanting to say hello and play. As for the perception of the breed the op has stated it looks like an English bull terrier and not a banned breed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Asa Bear Posted March 29, 2013 Report Share Posted March 29, 2013 Firstly I would make it mandatory for any dog in a public place to be on a lead unless in a designated dog walking park. Secondly I'd make something a majority of us already do voluntarily compulsory and that is microchipping with a national database. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave-G Posted March 29, 2013 Report Share Posted March 29, 2013 (edited) Well answered Harry. I have a perception that at least of the very muscular looking dogs that used to be taken walkies past our taxi office by a well known nasty piece of drug supply work was quite possibly one of the dodgy ones. Wouldn't know if it's been checked - and admittedly wouldn't ask him if it had been either. I perceive it was an arrogantly displayed weapon though. Havent seen him or it recently though. Edited March 29, 2013 by Dave-G Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dirty Harry Posted March 29, 2013 Report Share Posted March 29, 2013 I don't write the law mate. If my dog was not on a lead and had frightened somebody then in the eyes of the law it was a dog out of control. Up to you to investigate. Just saying It needs to be dangerously out of control. I would suggest the investigation would end after a few questions by the call taker and go no further. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bazzab Posted March 29, 2013 Report Share Posted March 29, 2013 What do you suggest then. How would you legislate to control dog ownership and deal with every dog bite incident. Full details please or would you rather just sit there typing something needs to done and jumping on the band wagon. Well im not 110% sure but a start.would be before a dog is purchased owners should have to gain a licence. That would at least he a start. As for your ridiculous "jumping on the band wagon"comment, don't think there's any need for that so wind that in. I know Colin and Oz very well so am going to be passionate about it as they are good friends of mine. All your posts in this thread appear to be trying to wind people up. Not sure if your just bored, lonely or what!!!!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dirty Harry Posted March 29, 2013 Report Share Posted March 29, 2013 Well answered Harry. I have a perception that at least of the very muscular looking dogs that used to be taken walkies past our taxi office by a well known nasty piece of drug supply work was quite possibly one of the dodgy ones. Wouldn't know if it's been checked - and admittedly wouldn't ask him if it had been either. I perceive it was an arrogantly displayed weapon though. Havent seen him or it recently though. I was at my vets about 12 months ago when a Mr and Mrs Chav some of their friends and their daughter who was aged about 2 were waiting to get their Pitt Bull seen. The whole time it was straining at the leash to get to my dog. I made it very clear they should keep hold of it and after it had been seen I asked the vet what breed it was. She said a terrier cross. I said ******** that was a Pitt bull and she agreed. I made a call and the owners had a visit the dog was assessed and they were allowed to keep it as it was booked in to be speyed, chipped and did not seem agressive at the time it was looked at. I encourage you to report suspected Pitt bulls and make contact with the DLO's who are the experts at identifying them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gordon R Posted March 29, 2013 Report Share Posted March 29, 2013 I am a little surprised that Dirty Harry is coming in for some stick. In my book, he has posted a realistic, honest assessment of what the situation is. He doesn't make the law and can't alter it to what posters might like the law to be. I think he has been very restrained in answer to many. It reminds me of the famous "think of the children" and "there must be another way" quotes that get trotted out whenever something happens. Of very little practical value. I don't believe compulsory training will ever happen. A dog licence - sounds okay, but almost unworkable. Micro-chipping - fine for responsible owners - again - a pain to enforce. For the record - my own dogs were micro-chipped and very well trained, but it never stop them being attacked. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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