JustJon Posted March 29, 2013 Report Share Posted March 29, 2013 (edited) So... I have got a drill type thing some nut things a wall and a cabinet So... step by step what do I do? Guessing, line cabinet up, mark drilling spots, drill, put cabinet back, put bolts in ? How far do I drill? Is that anywhere near right? I'm a DIY-phobe but trying, appreciate your help! Thanks. p.s. big pictures! can I scale them down? Edited March 29, 2013 by JustJon Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
old rooster Posted March 29, 2013 Report Share Posted March 29, 2013 (edited) You will need to either remove the skirting where the cabinet is going or make up some packing pieces to space the back of the cabinet away from the wall by the same amount where you put the bolts through. Best to cut the skirting if possible as t'other way leaves a gap that a crow bar can easily be put into. Those expanding bolts are fine if you have solid walls, as you do them up they will wedge into the holes you have drilled. Check that you ain't got heating pipes or cables running where you plan to drill the holes!! You need to drill in far enough for the sleeves to go flush or slightly below surface. Mine is done with 12mm bolts rather than 10's Edited March 29, 2013 by old rooster Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JustJon Posted March 29, 2013 Author Report Share Posted March 29, 2013 I cant just fit the cabinet above the skirting board? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
old rooster Posted March 29, 2013 Report Share Posted March 29, 2013 (edited) I cant just fit the cabinet above the skirting board?Fair bit of weight hanging on the wall that way, wouldn't advise it mate. I guess you could rest it on the skirting but better if it is on the floor. Edited March 29, 2013 by old rooster Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JustJon Posted March 29, 2013 Author Report Share Posted March 29, 2013 Had someone else do it for me before - had a cupboard it sat inside and then went into the wall - might use the cupboard again then so it's resting on "floor" of cupboard and then into wall (cupboard is one of those IKEA ones which sits around the skirting board) Guess it puts another level of "hidden" in place as well. Fair bit of weight hanging on the wall that way, wouldn't advise it mate.I guess you could rest it on the skirting but better if it is on the floor. Thanks Rooster - appreciate the help Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
old rooster Posted March 29, 2013 Report Share Posted March 29, 2013 Mine is inside a big walk in cupboard, as you say it gives a bit more protection from immediate observation. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JustJon Posted March 29, 2013 Author Report Share Posted March 29, 2013 That's a walk in cupboard as well! So it would be a walk in cupboard/wardrobe and then a wooden cabinet type thing! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beeredup Posted March 29, 2013 Report Share Posted March 29, 2013 (edited) i tried rawlbolts and they were a faff!! so went to screw fix and got a chemical stud kit and fitted it to were it was gonna live drilled 6 holes hoovered and brushed out holes with brush in the kit and squirted the gunk in there and then banged the studs in left it over night and then fitted the nuts to the studs and i bet you would remove the bricks from the wall before the cabinet comes out!! dead easy was a total doddle!!! Edited March 29, 2013 by beeredup Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
castletyne Posted March 29, 2013 Report Share Posted March 29, 2013 I used them same Anchor bolts waste of time cabinet was pulled of the wall Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
debaser Posted March 29, 2013 Report Share Posted March 29, 2013 The important bit of information is what type of wall is it? Namely themilite, brick, timber frame etc. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JustJon Posted March 29, 2013 Author Report Share Posted March 29, 2013 Dunno? Sounds solid... Oldish building renovated a couple of years ago. External wall Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trowel 7 Posted March 29, 2013 Report Share Posted March 29, 2013 looks like a old building so would use a chemical anchor bolt if i were you mate Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bucksshooter Posted March 29, 2013 Report Share Posted March 29, 2013 Try thunderbolts mate they are easy just drill the hole then screw the the thunderbolts in Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wymberley Posted March 29, 2013 Report Share Posted March 29, 2013 I cant just fit the cabinet above the skirting board? I hear what OR is saying, but I've had two 6gun cabinets side by side above the skirting board for 5 + years with no problem. The structure is traditional double brick/cavity and each cabinet has 6 bolts. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shaun4860 Posted March 29, 2013 Report Share Posted March 29, 2013 My cabinet is a 10 gun one so quite heavy, It rests above the skirting board on 2 housebricks (which you cant see) which were the right height Explained this upon visit by FEO and they tugged a bit to see if it moved, it didnt, and has been ok ever since, after 4 visits on renewal (2 shotgun, 2 firearms) bigger problem was with it being an old house (circa 1915) the walls are not flat, This left me with a gap at the top of about 20mm, FEO said provided I disguise it either by building a frame around it which covers the gap. or fill it. I eventually found a rubber seal that goes all the way round the cabinet and looks like its always been there with no gaps has passed 2 inspections with no problems Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DreadedFlapper Posted March 29, 2013 Report Share Posted March 29, 2013 Try thunderbolts mate they are easy just drill the hole then screw the the thunderbolts in You can't beat these bad boys! Great for using on softer brick too. And there is no expansion, so no damage to the brickwork. I have used these on mine and mounted it 4ft off the floor above a shoe rack in the cupboard. Feo didn't bat and eyelid! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Uncle Albert Posted March 29, 2013 Report Share Posted March 29, 2013 (edited) I used 4x10mm Rawlbolts fixed to the wall. It's a brick wall and as you say the FEO tried to pull it off the wall. No joy so happy. It's a 3 gun cabinet and fixed above the skirting. The only problem is it's full now and I need to get a larger one as I want to get a .223 when I find a friendly farmer who will let me shoot foxes on his/her land. Lay the cabinet against the wall, mark the holes and drill them. Try putting some insulating tape around the drill bit to get the right depth. Clean the holes out and put the bolts in minus the nuts. Put the cabinet in place and put the washers and nuts on the bolts. Do them up tight. You might want to get hold of some large washers to go on the bolts which will distribute the weight. Job done. Can't see if it is a three or five gun cabinet. If a three, it should be OK to sit it on the skirting. I wouldn't go the route of packing the back out as opposed to cutting the skirting. Some little scrote will probably have a crowbar with them if they break in so will get it off easily. Edited March 29, 2013 by Uncle Albert Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bruno22rf Posted March 29, 2013 Report Share Posted March 29, 2013 Dont go straight in with a 10mm drill-use a 7 or 8 mm first-even smaller if you are not good at holding the drill steady.Piloting the hole will give you the best chance of getting a good 10mm dia hole-this means that you wont need to do the nut up so tight inside the cabinet to get a good fix.Do not over tighten the nuts because you can crack the bricks,just do them up enough to hold the cabinet and then maybe one turn more.Best to put it against the wall as already advised--its easier to get a fixing and it helps prevent the use of a wrecking bar to remove the cabinet. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JustJon Posted March 30, 2013 Author Report Share Posted March 30, 2013 So, wickes don't sell chemical anchor bolts. Somewhere online I can order some from please? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daks Posted March 30, 2013 Report Share Posted March 30, 2013 So, wickes don't sell chemical anchor bolts. Somewhere online I can order some from please? You don't need them fella. what you have is fine providing you're going into a load bearing brick wall, just tighten them home solid, it will bite to the wall fine, pilot your holes and work up to 10ml, keep the drill dead straight. Once fitted you wont move them for love or money. seal the case edges with a little silicone or mastic when finished. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yellow Bear Posted March 30, 2013 Report Share Posted March 30, 2013 So, wickes don't sell chemical anchor bolts. Somewhere online I can order some from please? Screwfix - several varieties - and better and more room for error than any rawlbolt in anything but concrete. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cooter Posted March 30, 2013 Report Share Posted March 30, 2013 Mine used to be mounted off the floor. I fitted a steel plate inside it top and bottom which spans both bolts. FEO put one foot on the lip of the cab and hoisted himself up, when nothing moved he was happy. If you have any concerns about the fixings try adding some square washers inside and out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JustJon Posted March 30, 2013 Author Report Share Posted March 30, 2013 I can't find them... Am I being stupid? http://m.screwfix.com/search.htm?search_main=chemical+anchor+bolt&search_btn=Search&nbActionFormEncoding=UTF-8 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Danny Fireblade Posted March 30, 2013 Report Share Posted March 30, 2013 i tried rawlbolts and they were a faff!! so went to screw fix and got a chemical stud kit and fitted it to were it was gonna live drilled 6 holes hoovered and brushed out holes with brush in the kit and squirted the gunk in there and then banged the studs in left it over night and then fitted the nuts to the studs and i bet you would remove the bricks from the wall before the cabinet comes out!! dead easy was a total doddle!!! I did the same in breeze block walls, the house will come down before the cabinet comes loose:-) Screwfix - several varieties - and better and more room for error than any rawlbolt in anything but concrete. Gt mine from screwfix too:-) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bruno22rf Posted March 30, 2013 Report Share Posted March 30, 2013 (edited) The Anchor bolts that you have bought are more than ample-once fitted they are virtually impossible to remove without getting into the cabinet itself-the more you pull the more they grip. Edited March 30, 2013 by bruno22rf Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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