Dekers Posted May 28, 2013 Report Share Posted May 28, 2013 Everything was declared m8ty ahead of joining and the owner could see im not a mental case lol,he even knows the feo who refused the sgc and doesnt hold him in much high regard Ps Not on any drug now m8 I'm not trying to be negative but no gun club in their right mind will accept a new member in your circumstances, putting it bluntly, on or needing or effected by or just off drugs and refused a SGC! ...and like I say, I hope this all resolves itself in the fullness of time for you! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
harry69koi Posted May 28, 2013 Author Report Share Posted May 28, 2013 I'm not trying to be negative but no gun club in their right mind will accept a new member in your circumstances, putting it bluntly, on or needing or effected by or just off drugs and refused a SGC! ...and like I say, I hope this all resolves itself in the fullness of time for you! Well glad i dont live down your way if people get treat like that just because of one tablet m8 there obviously are people who see sense Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JonathanL Posted May 28, 2013 Report Share Posted May 28, 2013 I'm not trying to be negative but no gun club in their right mind will accept a new member in your circumstances, putting it bluntly, on or needing or effected by or just off drugs and refused a SGC! ...and like I say, I hope this all resolves itself in the fullness of time for you! Clubs won't generally prevent a person from joining based purely on having had a mild form of depression or anxiety. It may be the case that they would want to gather more information but it seems unreasonable to have a blanket policy to that effect. In fact, I know of one case where the police refulsed a chap an FAC on similar grounds but had no objection to his club membership. J. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dekers Posted May 28, 2013 Report Share Posted May 28, 2013 (edited) Well glad i dont live down your way if people get treat like that just because of one tablet m8 there obviously are people who see sense You still haven't answered what sort of Gun club this is? The Gun club owner is a medical expert is he with full access to your medical records, such as you had to allow the Police who turned down your SGC. You don't seem to get it, you are allowed a SGC unless the police can show a case why not, so if you are refused, it is worrying to say the least. Chap, we live in a litigious society, the POLICE turned you down because of medical circumstances and REFUSED you a SGC, NO CLUB IN THEIR RIGHT MIND would take you on as a member...because, if the **** hit the fan the club would be in SERIOUS trouble with your immediate background! Sorry, but that is the real world today, I wish you and the owner of the gun club luck. The answer from mine and every other Home Office club I know at Bisley would be sorry, come back next year and we will review things! Edit just taken on board a bit more of your post.................. "...and im now a volunteer for disabled adults who want to shoot B) Been shooting some sexy guns and boy my shoulder knows it" JC, I can see the headlines in the Tabloids now, and have you had the relevant checks, such as Police Records of Convictions, Cautions, Reprimands and Warnings, ISA Vulnerable Adults Barred List Information and Other relevant information disclosed at the Chief Police Officers discretion, etc.? Edited May 28, 2013 by Dekers Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
harry69koi Posted May 28, 2013 Author Report Share Posted May 28, 2013 Unsure of the class of club mate but i help adults from totally blind to mentally disabled shoot. it has open sessions for clay pigeon to the public :-) defo not a upper class club for people who pay 0000 just to shoot lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dekers Posted May 28, 2013 Report Share Posted May 28, 2013 Unsure of the class of club mate but i help adults from totally blind to mentally disabled shoot. it has open sessions for clay pigeon to the public :-) defo not a upper class club for people who pay 0000 just to shoot lol Probably fair to say Vulnerable Adults then! ATB! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
harry69koi Posted May 28, 2013 Author Report Share Posted May 28, 2013 Ohh if you saw how some of them shoot its a eye opener :-o. Hit the bullseye at 25 mtrs . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MITCHF Posted May 28, 2013 Report Share Posted May 28, 2013 (edited) What a thread Good luck to you fella, well done to BASC for their support and advice. Your approach is a credit to you. As for some of our fellow members on here, I'm not convinced they don't need medication Edited May 28, 2013 by MITCHF Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dekers Posted May 28, 2013 Report Share Posted May 28, 2013 (edited) What a thread Good luck to you fella, well done to BASC for their support and advice. Your approach is a credit to you. As for some of our fellow members on here, I'm not convinced they don't need medication Not necessarily in this order, just a few things that come readily to mind to run a club, loads more I can't immediately think of........ Comply with Home Office regulations Keep shooter records of visits and ammo fired Note Non attendance Check Range orders Advise Police of New and Departing members Arrange Shooter Certification training for all new members Book ranges and matches Check/arrange First Aid at all shoots Check and instigate annual insurances Ensure an RCO available Information from list held under Section 142 of the Education Act 2002 ISA Childrens Barred list information Section 21 declarations As listed in Post #255 checks above NRA Memberships Keep Club FAC up to date Buy/sell club ammo/guns Maintain club guns/equipment Deal with day to day members whims and issues Keep radios functioning Arrange disabled benches on lanes Arrange markers Arrange/Hold Committee/AGM meetings Provide FAC references for ALL members Be available to counter sign Club cheques Be first to arrive at meetings Sign in/out at all NRA meetings on behalf of club Etc Etc ETC Yes chap, you are right, at times it feels like you could do with medication, but that is the reality! Edited May 29, 2013 by Dekers Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
harry69koi Posted May 28, 2013 Author Report Share Posted May 28, 2013 Wow what a topic eh chaps lol.well i mainly shoot my .177 co2 air rifle but have the friendship of people of the club that help me shoot other calibers :-) and help less able people join in our sport.so im happy to wait 10 months for my sgc :-) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Full Pelt Posted May 29, 2013 Report Share Posted May 29, 2013 It seems remarkable that somebody with very little experience of shooting (as just recently you didn't even own an air rifle) can obtain a helper role / job with a club to help vulnerable adults to shoot. Earlier you were looking at reapplying in 1-2 years. Having been on prozac for three years isn't going to help much if you come back to apply after just 12 months. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
walshie Posted May 29, 2013 Report Share Posted May 29, 2013 I've just read through this whole thing and something's not right. Even if the OP was allowed to join a shooting club, presumably he would be a probationer and I have never seen a probationer supervise anyone, disabled or not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
harry69koi Posted May 29, 2013 Author Report Share Posted May 29, 2013 Not just me helping the disabled adults guys Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blackbart Posted May 29, 2013 Report Share Posted May 29, 2013 This thread is a bit baffling.... Someone who the police deem unfit to hold a shotgun is now an instructor at a gun club ? I don't think plod would be very happy with that arrangement if that is the case. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
harry69koi Posted May 29, 2013 Author Report Share Posted May 29, 2013 It seems remarkable that somebody with very little experience of shooting (as just recently you didn't even own an air rifle) can obtain a helper role / job with a club to help vulnerable adults to shoot. Earlier you were looking at reapplying in 1-2 years. Having been on prozac for three years isn't going to help much if you come back to apply after just 12 months. Where did prozac come from and i was advised by the police to re-apply in 12 months ,which i will be doing Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
harry69koi Posted May 29, 2013 Author Report Share Posted May 29, 2013 This thread is a bit baffling.... Someone who the police deem unfit to hold a shotgun is now an instructor at a gun club ? I don't think plod would be very happy with that arrangement if that is the case. Who has said im a instructor? i HELP the adults not teach them Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
walshie Posted May 29, 2013 Report Share Posted May 29, 2013 Who has said im a instructor? i HELP the adults not teach them OK. Cheers for clearing that up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
harry69koi Posted May 29, 2013 Author Report Share Posted May 29, 2013 Wonderful world of forums whats written doesn't always come out the right way i suppose Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blackbart Posted May 29, 2013 Report Share Posted May 29, 2013 Who has said im a instructor? i HELP the adults not teach them How do you "help" them ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
harry69koi Posted May 29, 2013 Author Report Share Posted May 29, 2013 Put targets up,drive them to the club,general stuff like that as i said at the beginning IM a helper not some instructor we help adults with disability do archery,fishing etc stuff us lot take for granted. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
walshie Posted May 29, 2013 Report Share Posted May 29, 2013 In that case, fair play to you. What calibre guns have you shot and what sort of distances? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
harry69koi Posted May 29, 2013 Author Report Share Posted May 29, 2013 In that case, fair play to you. What calibre guns have you shot and what sort of distances? To be honest m8 the way things get twisted on here im keeping my personal life just that..personal ,only time ill update this topic now is when i get my sgc in 10 months time There are some supporting people on here but also the one`s who think they know it all,these people i have no time for Lee Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blunderbust Posted May 29, 2013 Report Share Posted May 29, 2013 Lee, you have got to see what the guys are getting at. You do state in a previous post that you are helping disabled people shoot, which I have to admit I also find it hard to believe that a club who should be doing checks on people who wish to become members are allowing you to get involved. This is of course unless they have not had your check back yet and I am presuming that since you have no SGC/FAC you will be on a probationary period. If this is the case then I don't see them taking a chance with allowing you to have any involvement whilst they are looking after vulnerable people. I take it from one of your previous posts that you are talking about North Cotes Butts Gun Club? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maxus77 Posted May 29, 2013 Report Share Posted May 29, 2013 (edited) If refused an SGC i thought a club couldnt / shouldnt let you shoot there even if you attended there previously under general admission ? perhaps someone can confirm?, Id also imagine for helping disabled you will have to have passed enhanced CRB or DBS as its now called ! as your dealing with vulnerable people open to abuse, even taxi drivers for school runs have to be checked let alone quote "Put targets up,drive them to the club,general stuff like that as i said at the beginning IM a helper not some instructor we help adults with disability do archery,fishing etc stuff us lot take for granted " Certainly sounds like a can of worms ready to explode at the minute or one hell of story to make yourself feel better Edited May 29, 2013 by maxus77 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Full Pelt Posted May 29, 2013 Report Share Posted May 29, 2013 Where did prozac come from and i was advised by the police to re-apply in 12 months ,which i will be doing You are seriously in need of a reality check : your post #143 : "Yes im on prozac (have been for 3 years) but im 42 years old,married,5 kids and a grandad and have never been to the doctors complaining of violent thoughts or self harm,just needed some help in a period of my life when i couldnt get my butt out of bed etc,hence i was given prozac (wish i hadnt bothered) also your post #149 With no previous experience of shooting you've been asking for permission to shoot quarry with .177 gas popper ? You may find that having a friend, someone who knows you personally, to act as a devil's advocate will be benefical to you in the long run. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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