wymberley Posted April 6, 2013 Report Share Posted April 6, 2013 That's the point. But dangerous to whom? A lot of 'mental illness' is nothing of the sort. It is a natural reaction to pressurised, fast moving and unhealthy lives. Struggling with some personal calamity or buckling under intolerable modern-life stress does not mean you are of unsound mind; it means you are unhappy. However society's default assumption is that anything other than blissful contentment indicates mental disorder, and mental disorder leads inevitably to violent derangement; guns and sharp objects should be locked away and the sufferer treated with patronism, exaggerated concern and toxic medication. This is the post-institutional version of the padded cell and it is nonsense. It will cause more risks and more unnecessary misery than it prevents. With every aspect of our lives recorded on computer data bases and doctors under pressure to notify all and sundry of any development in a patient's health that might present a financial or legal risk, reaching the end of your tether, to use the old fashioned phrase, has becomed indistinquishable from serious psychotic disorder, and thousands of perfectly sane and healthy people who need help coping when life has overtaken them will be discouraged from seeking it from fear of the repercussions. A perfect example of the law of unintended consequences. And that is dangerous. Read this first and as I've not been following the thread, went back and started from the beginning. Made a note of post #31. Have now just seen #197 before returning here. Initially, I thought this made good sense; still do, but note that it's been heavily edited. Was this a result of post #197 with its reference to #31? For my money, the OP has shown great sense and should be complimented on his decision to accept the decision (which this whole thread has shown was not easy for him), whether fair/correct or not. I truly hope that his action is rewarded and in the fullness of time the situation is resolved in line with his wishes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gimlet Posted April 6, 2013 Report Share Posted April 6, 2013 (edited) Read this first and as I've not been following the thread, went back and started from the beginning. Made a note of post #31. Have now just seen #197 before returning here. Initially, I thought this made good sense; still do, but note that it's been heavily edited. Was this a result of post #197 with its reference to #31? For my money, the OP has shown great sense and should be complimented on his decision to accept the decision (which this whole thread has shown was not easy for him), whether fair/correct or not. I truly hope that his action is rewarded and in the fullness of time the situation is resolved in line with his wishes. Don't quite know what you mean. My post you quote has not been heavily edited. I went back to correct a spelling mistake, that's all. (I left the second 'e' out of derangement. Pedantic I know but that's me.) I do that quite often because I'm a fusser, but I've never altered one of my posts in response to something someone else has written. I just couldn't be bothered, life's too short. I shove in my two penn'orth in, for what it is worth, as the thread progresses. Edit: AGAIN! Beg your pardon Wymberly. If I edited in between your two readings you may well be right. I do that as well if i feel I could have worded smething better. And in this case I can't remember what I changed beyond the spelling mistake. So in answer to your question, no I didn't edit in response to other posts but may well have done because I'm a faffer who can't leave well alone. Hope that clears it up. I'll get my coat now. Carry on as you were. Edited April 6, 2013 by Gimlet Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wymberley Posted April 6, 2013 Report Share Posted April 6, 2013 Don't quite know what you mean. My post you quote has not been heavily edited. I went back to correct a spelling mistake, that's all. (I left the second 'e' out of derangement. Pedantic I know but that's me.) I do that quite often because I'm a fusser, but I've never altered one of my posts in response to something someone else has written. I just couldn't be bothered, life's too short. I shove in my two penn'orth in, for what it is worth, as the thread progresses. Edit: AGAIN! Beg your pardon Wymberly. If I edited in between your two readings you may well be right. I do that as well if i feel I could have worded smething better. And in this case I can't remember what I changed beyond the spelling mistake. So in answer to your question, no I didn't edit in response to other posts but may well have done because I'm a faffer who can't leave well alone. Hope that clears it up. I'll get my coat now. Carry on as you were. Many thanks. Obviously, I don't know what qualifications you may have, but all that you've said on this topic makes sense to me. Rightly or wrongly, I detect an element of sympathy for the OP's predicament which may be based on understanding. What you deleted made sense too in the circumstance but now is of no consequence. Wait for me, I'll get me 'at. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave-G Posted April 6, 2013 Report Share Posted April 6, 2013 Looks like I'm out of step on this one and all the other guys are reading more than what stands out to my sometimes Victor Meldrew frame of mind. I'm fully capable of reading stuff wrong so apologies if my thinking out loud has caused any offence. Get well soon bud. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
harry69koi Posted April 11, 2013 Author Report Share Posted April 11, 2013 Well went to see the doc and explained that i wanted to come off the tablet got to take one every other day for a month then one every 3 days etc etc,so far feel no different so think ive done the right thing Just a waiting game now Lee Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul223 Posted April 11, 2013 Report Share Posted April 11, 2013 Good on you fella Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oli Posted April 11, 2013 Report Share Posted April 11, 2013 well done and good luck Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
martyn2233 Posted April 11, 2013 Report Share Posted April 11, 2013 Well went to see the doc and explained that i wanted to come off the tablet got to take one every other day for a month then one every 3 days etc etc,so far feel no different so think ive done the right thing Just a waiting game now Lee good luck mate Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steppenwolf Posted April 11, 2013 Report Share Posted April 11, 2013 I wish you good luck sir and a move in the right direction. I don't personally agree to these pills and anything that means you take less/none is something good in my opinion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HDAV Posted April 11, 2013 Report Share Posted April 11, 2013 Keep us updated Harry Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
harry69koi Posted April 11, 2013 Author Report Share Posted April 11, 2013 will do m8ty ps day 3 and no tablet still got all my marbles lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
harry69koi Posted April 13, 2013 Author Report Share Posted April 13, 2013 (edited) Well day 5 with no anti depressamts and im feeling fine roll on a year Edited April 13, 2013 by harry69koi Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daks Posted April 13, 2013 Report Share Posted April 13, 2013 Good for you fella, stay active with the forum and community. Id like to follow your progress and hopefully see you aquire a SGC. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sx3 clay breaker Posted April 13, 2013 Report Share Posted April 13, 2013 Yep and me mate atb Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pontbeck Posted April 13, 2013 Report Share Posted April 13, 2013 Well done, keep up the good work Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
harry69koi Posted April 14, 2013 Author Report Share Posted April 14, 2013 Well decided to go against the docs advice and now don't take the tablet at all doing it the docs way would have took too long so day 6 tomorrow in a row and got no urges of going loony lol Trying to get hold of a cheap air rifle to do some target shooting to pace the time away Ps Thanks for the support guys B) Lee Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eskoky Posted April 14, 2013 Report Share Posted April 14, 2013 Hi Lee, I've just seen this thread and have not read all the posts - but I have first hand experience of this situation. A few years ago I was referred to Hampshire Mental Heath after a short period of depression. When the psychiatrist found out I had a shot gun she went to the police station and recommended they take it away!! I was totally stable, was not going to harm myself but she was just one of those anti gun type people. The police took my guns and revoked my certificate. I started an appeal against the decision, but the police said that if I was discharged after one year and stable they would be happy to consider a new application. Based on this I dropped the appeal. A year later I re-applied for my certificate, I was no longer seeing the psychiatrist, had full support from my GP and a supporting report from an independent consultant. The police turned down my new application because i was still taking 1 tablet a day. I appealed the decision and went to court. The judge ruled in my favour saying the police cannot use the fact that you may be talking medication, or seeking medical help as the grounds to refuse a certificate, however the police must show that the condition itself causes a risk to public safety. So basically I beat Hampshire police in court and I was issued a certificate. The whole experience cost me over £5,000, but it was worth every penny - and I continued on medication for a short time after. (I have stopped now) So basically I would advise you not to go against the doctors orders - don't stop your medication it is there to help you and it is not worth you becoming really down. If you have the means then appeal the decision, if not speak to BASC they may help you with the process. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim c Posted April 14, 2013 Report Share Posted April 14, 2013 seems a little harsh. my dad has held a sgc for as lomg as i can remember. he has depression and its never be a problem. he also applied for his fac a couple of years ago and had no problem getting it hes still on the tablets and nothing was ever said different counties different rules and approaches i guess hope you get sorted Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aris Posted April 14, 2013 Report Share Posted April 14, 2013 I wonder how many people may avoid seeking help because of this type of reaction by the police. I agree - the medication should not dictate revocation of a certificate - an assessment of the individual should. I think doctors and the police are taking the CYA approach (cover your ****). For instance, Champix - the drug whih helps you stop smoking has some notable side effects - such as suicidal thoughts. Does having his prescribed to you warrant revocation of a SGC? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JonathanL Posted April 14, 2013 Report Share Posted April 14, 2013 Hi Lee, I've just seen this thread and have not read all the posts - but I have first hand experience of this situation. A few years ago I was referred to Hampshire Mental Heath after a short period of depression. When the psychiatrist found out I had a shot gun she went to the police station and recommended they take it away!! I was totally stable, was not going to harm myself but she was just one of those anti gun type people. The police took my guns and revoked my certificate. I started an appeal against the decision, but the police said that if I was discharged after one year and stable they would be happy to consider a new application. Based on this I dropped the appeal. A year later I re-applied for my certificate, I was no longer seeing the psychiatrist, had full support from my GP and a supporting report from an independent consultant. The police turned down my new application because i was still taking 1 tablet a day. I appealed the decision and went to court. The judge ruled in my favour saying the police cannot use the fact that you may be talking medication, or seeking medical help as the grounds to refuse a certificate, however the police must show that the condition itself causes a risk to public safety. So basically I beat Hampshire police in court and I was issued a certificate. The whole experience cost me over £5,000, but it was worth every penny - and I continued on medication for a short time after. (I have stopped now) So basically I would advise you not to go against the doctors orders - don't stop your medication it is there to help you and it is not worth you becoming really down. If you have the means then appeal the decision, if not speak to BASC they may help you with the process. The best post on here in a long time. The important point in all of this is the penultimate paragraph; a certificate can only be refused, or revoked, if you present an actual risk to public safety or the peace. J. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
harry69koi Posted April 14, 2013 Author Report Share Posted April 14, 2013 Hi Lee, I've just seen this thread and have not read all the posts - but I have first hand experience of this situation. A few years ago I was referred to Hampshire Mental Heath after a short period of depression. When the psychiatrist found out I had a shot gun she went to the police station and recommended they take it away!! I was totally stable, was not going to harm myself but she was just one of those anti gun type people. The police took my guns and revoked my certificate. I started an appeal against the decision, but the police said that if I was discharged after one year and stable they would be happy to consider a new application. Based on this I dropped the appeal. A year later I re-applied for my certificate, I was no longer seeing the psychiatrist, had full support from my GP and a supporting report from an independent consultant. The police turned down my new application because i was still taking 1 tablet a day. I appealed the decision and went to court. The judge ruled in my favour saying the police cannot use the fact that you may be talking medication, or seeking medical help as the grounds to refuse a certificate, however the police must show that the condition itself causes a risk to public safety. So basically I beat Hampshire police in court and I was issued a certificate. The whole experience cost me over £5,000, but it was worth every penny - and I continued on medication for a short time after. (I have stopped now) So basically I would advise you not to go against the doctors orders - don't stop your medication it is there to help you and it is not worth you becoming really down. If you have the means then appeal the decision, if not speak to BASC they may help you with the process. Trust me mate if i had the money i would fight the decision but as it is im happy to come off the meds and re-applying in a year glad you won your case though m8ty B) All the best. Lee Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blunderbust Posted April 16, 2013 Report Share Posted April 16, 2013 I hope that it goes well for you on your re-application Lee. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
harry69koi Posted April 18, 2013 Author Report Share Posted April 18, 2013 Well 10 days with no anti depressants B) feel gooooooood Lee Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sx3 clay breaker Posted April 18, 2013 Report Share Posted April 18, 2013 Good on you mate keep it up only 355 days to go Atb scott Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
harry69koi Posted April 18, 2013 Author Report Share Posted April 18, 2013 Good on you mate keep it up only 355 days to go Atb scott LOL, believe me m8 im counting the day i can get my very own over/under cant come soon enough Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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