wymberley Posted April 11, 2013 Report Share Posted April 11, 2013 Come on, let's not be silly. The last time this happened (At Bisley - the 500yard 3" fiasco) no one turned up. Is this really going to be any different. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul223 Posted April 11, 2013 Report Share Posted April 11, 2013 yeah come on mr kent, show us what you can do Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kent Posted April 11, 2013 Author Report Share Posted April 11, 2013 Just were did I say hornet at 330 yards? Also I specifically said I don't shoot that far at night with good reason and I mean any gun. its pretty darn easy to hit a coconut at 330 yds with an 8x scope and the appropriate gun. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wymberley Posted April 11, 2013 Report Share Posted April 11, 2013 (edited) I can tell you more what does work than doesn't, I know that my .223 was capable of texas heart shots at 150 yards far from ideal but when you have a tricky character and its getting into partridge pens you take what shot you can, if you got a little more windage than expected or pulled a shot and placed it in the gut it had plenty to drop them with 55grn blitzkings. My .243 tends to work with gut shots well past 200 yards to be fair they aren't often but do happen when you shoot enough particularly if you shoot any that are on the move, thats a mix of 85grn soft points to 58 vmax. We tend to have very skittish country foxes that are far from stupid so really range wise I couldn't put a figure on it as I have had them close and I have had them well out, what I would say is both these calibers open them up and do devastating damage with the bullets mentioned. OK, I've done my best to pick the bones out from what you have said and from the tables that you've posted. From these two sources it looks as though 350 for the 223 and 450yds for the 22-250 would be the maximum range relating to your spot on post about the energy requirement to cater for a less than perfect shot at a distant target (my words, not yours but hopefully meaning the same thing). Putting aside all the ifs and buts, would you say that that is a fair assessment and is coincidental to your own thoughts? Edited April 11, 2013 by wymberley Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kent Posted April 11, 2013 Author Report Share Posted April 11, 2013 I do wonder if you have ever shot under the lamp with comments like this, it so doesn't look like that in real life I do wonder if you have ever shot under the lamp with comments like this, it so doesn't look like that in real life How many times 330 yds is too far under the lamp you cannot wind spot and that's the biggest factor in missing or worse. I do not like gut shooting I do not consider it acceptable. I do not identify targets through the scope, its too dangerous and I have never been able to say for sure that my quarry is a fox at 330 yds at night under a lamp, but its rare I get to shoot flat arable fields, on moorland and forestry things look very different. STOP MISQUOTING as I do not lie or mis- represtent myself Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blackbart Posted April 11, 2013 Report Share Posted April 11, 2013 Just were did I say hornet at 330 yards? Also I specifically said I don't shoot that far at night with good reason and I mean any gun. its pretty darn easy to hit a coconut at 330 yds with an 8x scope and the appropriate gun. I take it from that my cheque book can stay in the drawer then Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
al4x Posted April 11, 2013 Report Share Posted April 11, 2013 OK, I've done my best to pick the bones out from what you have said and from the tables that you've posted. From these two sources it looks as though 350 for the 223 and 500yds for the 22-250 would be the maximum range relating to your spot on post about the energy requirement to cater for a less than perfect shot at a distant target (my words, not yours but hopefully meaning the same thing). Putting aside all the ifs and buts, would you say that that is a fair assessment and is coincidental to your own thoughts? I would say thats comfortable and lets face it at night its rare to get anywhere near. as for the ID at night I can comfortably id foxes at 300 plus but it sure isn't with an 8 mag scope. Lightforce 170 no filter its simple but highlights it is not like looking at a fox at 40 yards with an 8x scope or it would be simple wouldn't it. I take it from that my cheque book can stay in the drawer then sure can did you ever doubt it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blackbart Posted April 11, 2013 Report Share Posted April 11, 2013 How many times 330 yds is too far under the lamp you cannot wind spot and that's the biggest factor in missing or worse. I do not like gut shooting I do not consider it acceptable. I do not identify targets through the scope, its too dangerous and I have never been able to say for sure that my quarry is a fox at 330 yds at night under a lamp, but its rare I get to shoot flat arable fields, on moorland and forestry things look very different. STOP MISQUOTING as I do not lie or mis- represtent myself What do you need to wind spot for ? It is the same as shooting something the same size at 40 yards with an air rifle ! so does wind really matter ? Looking through a 24x scope you can clearly see that the fox you are looking at 300 yards away is indeed a fox.......... or is it a coconut 40 yds away ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blackbart Posted April 11, 2013 Report Share Posted April 11, 2013 When they wagered Phileas Fogg at the Reform club, at least they knew if they lost at least he would £&@) off for 80 days Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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DaveK Posted April 11, 2013 Report Share Posted April 11, 2013 . STOP MISQUOTING as I do not lie or mis- represtent myself Maybe not but you DO talk bull sometimes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
al4x Posted April 11, 2013 Report Share Posted April 11, 2013 sometimes.................... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wymberley Posted April 11, 2013 Report Share Posted April 11, 2013 I would say thats comfortable and lets face it at night its rare to get anywhere near. I crashed the Sierra Suite and read the wrong column! Please see that the 22-250 figure I gave as 500 has changed to 450 because of my error. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DaveK Posted April 11, 2013 Report Share Posted April 11, 2013 (edited) sometimes.................... Was trying to be nice No doubt his brother in arms JonathanL will be along in a bit to give us the accurate answers. Edited April 11, 2013 by DaveK Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DaveK Posted April 11, 2013 Report Share Posted April 11, 2013 Just were did I say hornet at 330 yards? Also I specifically said I don't shoot that far at night with good reason (I'm a **** shot) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DaveK Posted April 11, 2013 Report Share Posted April 11, 2013 He is keeping busy with Hornet correspondsnce on UK Varmint now Oh dear. I'm a member there as well. back in a mo. Been. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
al4x Posted April 11, 2013 Report Share Posted April 11, 2013 Oh dear. I'm a member there as well. back in a mo. Been. and went back, its a bit ironic the reply you got Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bicykillgaz Posted April 11, 2013 Report Share Posted April 11, 2013 How bitchy is this site getting. Kents took time to post some info to help other members and as usual it's descended into willy waving and now harassment on another forum, grow up gents! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SPARKIE Posted April 11, 2013 Report Share Posted April 11, 2013 looks like were going to have a 330yrd coconut shoot for the hornet owners at catton weekend and a 200+yrd egg shoot for .17hmr and .22lr.......carry on boys I need more ideas.lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SPARKIE Posted April 11, 2013 Report Share Posted April 11, 2013 can I use my .17 Ackley hornet.... asda sell coconuts Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
colin lad Posted April 11, 2013 Report Share Posted April 11, 2013 count me in i was king of the coconut shy's at the fair ground's colin Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Albert 888 Posted April 11, 2013 Report Share Posted April 11, 2013 looks like were going to have a 330yrd coconut shoot for the hornet owners at catton weekend and a 200+yrd egg shoot for .17hmr and .22lr.......carry on boys I need more ideas.lol Would balloons be any good tied down of course Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DaveK Posted April 12, 2013 Report Share Posted April 12, 2013 I pm'd one rabbit that got a full broadside chest shot and yes it was very dead. So it couldn't reply to the PM then? Never tried coconuts but melons make good targets. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Amazed Posted April 12, 2013 Report Share Posted April 12, 2013 You can if you like but will it actually break it? Im not being rude but i shot some bunies tonight with the 17 hornet at 100 yards and it wasnt 'graphic' damage, at 330 yards you must only be talking 150-175 ftlbs or so? I pm'd one rabbit that got a full broadside chest shot and yes it was very dead but im still in two minds about taking on a fox on saturday when i go over to shoot with cockercas. If you hit them broadside with the 22 using 40 grain v max it guts them or turns them into a bag of mush. I stick to the soft points now better results, improved accuracy and less wind drift. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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