diddy Posted August 8, 2013 Report Share Posted August 8, 2013 How far away should you shoot away from these pens to not disturb them? reason I ask is we were shooting on a cut rape field with a pen 400-500mtrs north of us and once we had finished upon packing up game keeper arrived and had a brief chat with him once home I had a phone call from the field manager saying that the Game keeper said we were shooting next to the pheasant pen and now the birds are all distressed etc I told him that we were shooting 500 meters south of the pen and that on the map you gave us you said we could shoot there, he wasn't happy but I cant help think the Game keeper has lied to him because he didn't want us there I feel pretty ****** off now especially since I collected up others empty cartridges at our hide. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lg1 Posted August 8, 2013 Report Share Posted August 8, 2013 As soon as I seen the tiltal of this post I knew it was trouble. Shooting anywhere near a pheasant is bad news. Back away from the situation and apologise, your on a no win road here. People pay a lot of money to rear the birds and once the keeper tells the other lads your in for it. You'll have them all moaning and giving the farmer chew! He may take the stance that its not worth the trouble and get rid of you. In the same breath the keeper will tell the farmer hell have the pigeons taken care of. If I could give any advice it would be to say sorry to the keeper & farmer and try and talk about we're you can and not shoot. Wish you luck with this but you may loose the shoot if you don't get that keeper on side m8 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
diddy Posted August 8, 2013 Author Report Share Posted August 8, 2013 im just annoy the field manager marked in on the map as a shooting field and the game keeper never said anything to me when we were there, if they didn't want us shooting there then it should have been marked out of bounds on the map. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
al4x Posted August 8, 2013 Report Share Posted August 8, 2013 these things change through the year, for the last 6 months shooting there wouldn't have been an issue but now with birds in pens it is. Best option is to talk to everyone, apologize to the keeper show your map etc and ask him how far away he would like you. Most places with a full time keeper round here are very careful about where people pigeon shoot as the costs are high if you upset the birds and they decide its not a great place to stay. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
landy george Posted August 8, 2013 Report Share Posted August 8, 2013 I've got the thing going on at mine. As soon as the birds go into the pens it's no more shooting for me. I don't have problem with that as I'll be beating come the season anyway. I'd say try & keep everbody happy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pete1dart Posted August 8, 2013 Report Share Posted August 8, 2013 I don't think pheasants care to much about the noise or disruption. I have had many a good shoot away from the pen but on the same field. A lot of poults have walked through my decoys when out shooting pigeon. They don't seem to mind and I think it stops them from wondering to far from the pen. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jimbo86 Posted August 8, 2013 Report Share Posted August 8, 2013 I beat on a shoot that also has a clay pigeon range. The birds are never bothered, there were loads wandering about all the stands, nearly shot 1 wandering behind the rabbit stand Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mightymariner Posted August 8, 2013 Report Share Posted August 8, 2013 I don't think pheasants are bothered by shooting at all, but in this case you have to abide by the keeper, even if you think he is in the wrong....better to keep quiet and apologise and keep the shooting than get booted off. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cranfield Posted August 8, 2013 Report Share Posted August 8, 2013 I have a similar situation, but it fortunately only affects one field, although this field is a bird magnet, as it has woods on two sides. You just have to "smile and nod" and ask for clarification what dates the field is "out of bounds" and adhere to whatever you are told. Farmers and Gamekeepers usually have different agendas and priorities, but when the Farmer is earning money from the game shooting, the Gamekeeper wins. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
diddy Posted August 8, 2013 Author Report Share Posted August 8, 2013 Cranfield this unfortunately was the problem no one said that the field was out of bounds not even the game keeper or field manager even when i spoke to the gamekeeper were i was shooting he seem to have waited till i left then phoned field manager i think I'm more annoyed in the fact the game keeper never had the decency to mention anything to me if it was a problem why didnt he say then he just waited till i left and then said i was shooting next to the pen :( Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kitchrat Posted August 9, 2013 Report Share Posted August 9, 2013 As soon as I seen the tiltal of this post I knew it was trouble. Shooting anywhere near a pheasant is bad news. Back away from the situation and apologise, your on a no win road here. People pay a lot of money to rear the birds and once the keeper tells the other lads your in for it. You'll have them all moaning and giving the farmer chew! He may take the stance that its not worth the trouble and get rid of you. In the same breath the keeper will tell the farmer hell have the pigeons taken care of. If I could give any advice it would be to say sorry to the keeper & farmer and try and talk about we're you can and not shoot. Wish you luck with this but you may loose the shoot if you don't get that keeper on side m8 Agreed 100% The only way is to ask the keeper each time you want to shoot, taking into consideration wind direction and you could mention later in the year that your shooting could be used to stop his birds wandering. A day-long dogging-in if you like.... Otherwise, you are lost!! Cranfield this unfortunately was the problem no one said that the field was out of bounds not even the game keeper or field manager even when i spoke to the gamekeeper were i was shooting he seem to have waited till i left then phoned field manager i think I'm more annoyed in the fact the game keeper never had the decency to mention anything to me if it was a problem why didnt he say then he just waited till i left and then said i was shooting next to the pen :( That's keepers for you! God comes second..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mossy835 Posted August 10, 2013 Report Share Posted August 10, 2013 i shoot next to pens, and all is ok farmer not to bothered,do this on a few farms doing it for years,game keepers are a pain in the ***. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stiggy84arsenal Posted August 11, 2013 Report Share Posted August 11, 2013 i shoot next to pens, and all is ok farmer not to bothered,do this on a few farms doing it for years,game keepers are a pain in the ***. I agree,,,,,,, farmers make more money from crop than pheasants so if a feild is getting hammered by birds then im aloud to shoot,, any time of year!!! Once the game keeper had a right old go at me for shooting by some cover, but he didnt realise the farmer was in the cover picking up a shot bird and heard it all.. iv never heard a game keeper say sorry till that day after the farmer said im aloud where I like.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cocknee Posted August 11, 2013 Report Share Posted August 11, 2013 I had a good afternoon flighting pigeons on their way to a standing wheat field I was no more than 150 yards from a pheasant pen and the birds were not taking a blind bit of notice I could see them through the wire going about their normal business. I had in excess of 200 shots picking up 127 birds so there was a fair bit of noise. I am the keeper so if I thought the birds would be at all bothered I wouldn't have shot there as long as dogs are not allowed into the covers or near the pen picking up then I don't have a problem with it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kitchrat Posted August 12, 2013 Report Share Posted August 12, 2013 I had a good afternoon flighting pigeons on their way to a standing wheat field I was no more than 150 yards from a pheasant pen and the birds were not taking a blind bit of notice I could see them through the wire going about their normal business. I had in excess of 200 shots picking up 127 birds so there was a fair bit of noise. I am the keeper so if I thought the birds would be at all bothered I wouldn't have shot there as long as dogs are not allowed into the covers or near the pen picking up then I don't have a problem with it. WE know that pheasants don't mind much but most keepers don't agree. Contrats to you for knowing the job and also the bag! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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