Shooting in you back garden (in a relatively built up area)

[SNAKEBITE]

Are we still going on about it?

[rabid bunny]

My advice LG is drop this one with RB, its one of his favourite points.

 

The law does seem to infer, depending on how you read it, that it is ok for the pellet to land outside your boundry [if you are over 17]

 

Now, I don't for a second think a badly worded piece of legislation is going to make one bit of difference if you try and hide behind it. They will either 1) overturn the law on appeal to a higher court or 2) do you with loads of other things

 

Now, this has come up too many times and won't go anywhere. The law is being amended as we speak to make it clearer and easier to prosecute people for this offence.

 

I for one think it very unwise to offer advice that its ok to do this considering the above.

According to some obscure, un-repealed laws you can do some crazy things according to the statute books. Involving longbows on certain days of the year from certain places. Nobody would be daft enough to go and do it to see if you would get away with it, same difference here.

 

Problem is RB likes arguing this point and has trolled a few before with this

 

Who is suggesting that it's ok to do this?

[pin]

Its all very well offering the letter of the law every time this comes up, but when you do it with unrelenting regularity it begs the question why, if not to infer that it is ok to do this?

 

You have on more than one occasion also offered an opinion based on this legislation.

 

I for one don't much care, people can do as they please for all I care. I do however have to question why anyone would take steps to bring this up every time and help people come to the conclusion that if they do this they won't get into any trouble?

 

I know which advice I would rather newcomers were given.

[SNAKEBITE]

I say leave it to the person to make his/her own mind up.

At least they will have the benefit of hindsight.

[rabid bunny]

Its all very well offering the letter of the law every time this comes up, but when you do it with unrelenting regularity it begs the question why, if not to infer that it is ok to do this?

 

You have on more than one occasion also offered an opinion based on this legislation.

 

I for one don't much care, people can do as they please for all I care. I do however have to question why anyone would take steps to bring this up every time and help people come to the conclusion that if they do this they won't get into any trouble?

 

I know which advice I would rather newcomers were given.

 

 

The reason I bring this up so often is to remind others of their rights within the law, especially when panic merchants on here say things like "that's illegal" when actually it is not. I usuallly post a link to an airgun law site to prove my point. If you are trying to hide the truth from others, you are going about it the right way.

[pin]

Nice try, now back under your bridge. I'll throw you a billygoat in a minute if you are good

[Lord Geordie]

Well i am going to step back and just watch how for this goes but for the ones who get burned all i will say now is "I told you so"

 

LG

[Mungler]

This ones always a giggle.

 

I will send a crisp £5 note to anyone who can be bothered to write in detail to the BASC and illicit their detailed written opinion which can then be sent to a Mod for scanning and uploading as a sticky.

 

Hell, I'll even make it a tenner, but that would be for all points to be covered off.

[pin]

As I am sure your work ethic also dictates my learned friend, I don't put pen to paper for less than a ton

[rabid bunny]

 

Thats not right either as the way you put it in words makes it sound as though it's fine for anyone OVER 17 to allow a pellet to travel over the boundary of their property.

 

I would say you need to go back and read again before you end up in DEEP **** :no:

 

the pellet should not pass the boundary of your property no matter WHAT your age. It "becomes" an offence the moment they can prove your pellet or pellets crossed your boundary into neighbouring land.

 

LG

 

Well ok, I went back and read it again. see here, page two, top right hand corner :

 

http://police.homeoffice.gov.uk/news-and-p...pdf?view=Binary

 

also here, in the Young persons section on page 31 chapter 7.3 c Just so as there is no mistake, also again in paragraph 7.11 c on page 32. :

 

http://police.homeoffice.gov.uk/news-and-p...pdf?view=Binary

[SNAKEBITE]

If you lot want to bicker like old women grow a pair of tits and go make my dinner

[Lord Geordie]

 

 

Thats not right either as the way you put it in words makes it sound as though it's fine for anyone OVER 17 to allow a pellet to travel over the boundary of their property.

 

I would say you need to go back and read again before you end up in DEEP **** :no:

 

the pellet should not pass the boundary of your property no matter WHAT your age. It "becomes" an offence the moment they can prove your pellet or pellets crossed your boundary into neighbouring land.

 

LG

 

Well ok, I went back and read it again. see here, page two, top right hand corner :

 

http://police.homeoffice.gov.uk/news-and-p...pdf?view=Binary

 

also here, in the Young persons section on page 31 chapter 7.3 c Just so as there is no mistake, also again in paragraph 7.11 c on page 32. :

 

http://police.homeoffice.gov.uk/news-and-p...pdf?view=Binary

 

 

Yes and is STATES

 

As long as the MISSILE (pellet or other ammunition) is NOT fired beyond those premises.

 

LG

[SNAKEBITE]

We are on page 3 at the moment, let's see if we can get upto 5 pages by the end of the day............

[Dunkield]

 

 

Thats not right either as the way you put it in words makes it sound as though it's fine for anyone OVER 17 to allow a pellet to travel over the boundary of their property.

 

I would say you need to go back and read again before you end up in DEEP **** :no:

 

the pellet should not pass the boundary of your property no matter WHAT your age. It "becomes" an offence the moment they can prove your pellet or pellets crossed your boundary into neighbouring land.

 

LG

 

Well ok, I went back and read it again. see here, page two, top right hand corner :

 

http://police.homeoffice.gov.uk/news-and-p...pdf?view=Binary

 

also here, in the Young persons section on page 31 chapter 7.3 c Just so as there is no mistake, also again in paragraph 7.11 c on page 32. :

 

http://police.homeoffice.gov.uk/news-and-p...pdf?view=Binary

 

 

Yes and is STATES

 

As long as the MISSILE (pellet or other ammunition) is NOT fired beyond those premises.

 

LG

 

 

Come on page 4 lets be having you

[rabid bunny]

 

 

Thats not right either as the way you put it in words makes it sound as though it's fine for anyone OVER 17 to allow a pellet to travel over the boundary of their property.

 

I would say you need to go back and read again before you end up in DEEP **** :no:

 

the pellet should not pass the boundary of your property no matter WHAT your age. It "becomes" an offence the moment they can prove your pellet or pellets crossed your boundary into neighbouring land.

 

LG

 

Well ok, I went back and read it again. see here, page two, top right hand corner :

 

http://police.homeoffice.gov.uk/news-and-p...pdf?view=Binary

 

also here, in the Young persons section on page 31 chapter 7.3 c Just so as there is no mistake, also again in paragraph 7.11 c on page 32. :

 

http://police.homeoffice.gov.uk/news-and-p...pdf?view=Binary

 

 

Yes and is STATES

 

As long as the MISSILE (pellet or other ammunition) is NOT fired beyond those premises.

 

LG

 

you are absolutely correct that's exactly what it states, in the young persons section

[SNAKEBITE]

Will this post make it Page 4?

[Piebob]

Well, I'll add a post. Some on here seem to be great at adding 2 + 2 to make 5. I've had a quick look at the references (which aren't on the pages stated as far as I could see) and can find nowhere where it says that you can shoot and allow your pellet to go outwith permissions.

 

Just because something is specifically ruled out, doesn't meant to say the opposite is ruled in.

 

If I make this statement - nobody under 17 years old is allowed to drive a car.

 

Does that infer that everyone over seventeen is allowed to drive a car?

[Dunkield]

Will this post make it Page 4?

 

No no no Snakey, you have to quote loads or irrelevant stuff and then just say 'yes' or 'no' as your input.

 

7/10 could try harder

 

 

 

 

Ever noticed how people quote the whole question again, even when they are the first person to respond to a new post? I have never worked that one out

 

 

EDIT: just seen a perfect one, thanks Graham

 

http://forums.pigeonwatch.co.uk/forums/ind...showtopic=25933

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Anyway, back on topic, do you think a .177 or a .22 is best in your back garden?

[SNAKEBITE]

Will this post make it Page 4?

 

No no no Snakey, you have to quote loads or irrelevant stuff and then just say 'yes' or 'no' as your input.

 

7/10 could try harder

 

 

 

 

Ever noticed how people quote the whole question again, even when they are the first person to respond to a new post? I have never worked that one out

 

 

EDIT: just seen a perfect one, thanks Graham

 

http://forums.pigeonwatch.co.uk/forums/ind...showtopic=25933

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Anyway, back on topic, do you think a .177 or a .22 is best in your back garden?

 

 

I think it is o.k to shoot in the back garden because I have severeal tree.

They are nice trees and give me shade in the Summer when I have a BBQ. My nan comes over for the BBQ's sometimes and she really likes burgers. She was in the war you know. It was a battle between England Germany. The Germans like beer. Beer makes you fat. If you are fat................

 

 

Oh sod this.

 

 

 

 

Blimey I thoght that would be upto Page 4.

[Highlander]

OK my penny worth...legal or not, vermin on the quarry list or not the real arguement is this...in a built up housing area your likely gonna be out of step with most of your neighbours and in this PC world of ours all your likely to get is trouble.

 

Think on this...a neighbour for whatever reason, stoopidity or malicious intent it matters not, sees you with a firearm and calls for an armed response team. Think on...not a few people have been SHOT by armed police just for looking like they were carrying a gun. Think on...is a built up housing area the proper place to be using guns anyway?

 

Either move to somewhere less built up or find a farm somewhere to shoot unhindered. OR carry on and take the flak!

[P03]

Just because something is specifically ruled out, doesn't meant to say the opposite is ruled in.

 

Actually in law it does. Unless something is specifically made unlawful, by an act of law, it is lawful.

[Piebob]

....but we're not discussing laws. These are poorly worded guides and guidelines.

[Cranfield]

This hoary old chesnut raises its head regularly.

 

As has been said during this thread, there is no definitive answer to this question, it very much depends where your garden is located, the density of the surrounding housing and the attitude of your local Police.

 

By all means let someone test the law right up to the European Courts, but until that happens, the best answer is to contact your local Police for their opinion.

 

Mungler suggested that someone ask the BASC, I seem to remember this was done and their answer was the same as I have posted in the second sentence.

 

Nobody is stopping the debate (yet), but lets keep it polite.

If you are getting fed up with this thread, then just ignore it.

That is the death of threads.

[rabid bunny]

This hoary old chesnut raises its head regularly.

 

As has been said during this thread, there is no definitive answer to this question, it very much depends where your garden is located, the density of the surrounding housing and the attitude of your local Police.

 

By all means let someone test the law right up to the European Courts, but until that happens, the best answer is to contact your local Police for their opinion.

 

Mungler suggested that someone ask the BASC, I seem to remember this was done and their answer was the same as I have posted in the second sentence.

 

Nobody is stopping the debate (yet), but lets keep it polite.

If you are getting fed up with this thread, then just ignore it.

That is the death of threads.

 

well I'm keeping it polite. I don't see anywhere in law where it describes the density of the surrounding housing or the location of your garden, has any bearing what so ever. However the term private property or public place has. Your private garden is obviously private property in law. Full stop. What lies beyond is irrelevent as far as the law is concerned, but rellevent as far as common sense and curtisy goes.

[Lord Geordie]

 

 

Thats not right either as the way you put it in words makes it sound as though it's fine for anyone OVER 17 to allow a pellet to travel over the boundary of their property.

 

I would say you need to go back and read again before you end up in DEEP **** :no:

 

the pellet should not pass the boundary of your property no matter WHAT your age. It "becomes" an offence the moment they can prove your pellet or pellets crossed your boundary into neighbouring land.

 

LG

 

Well ok, I went back and read it again. see here, page two, top right hand corner :

 

http://police.homeoffice.gov.uk/news-and-p...pdf?view=Binary

 

also here, in the Young persons section on page 31 chapter 7.3 c Just so as there is no mistake, also again in paragraph 7.11 c on page 32. :

 

http://police.homeoffice.gov.uk/news-and-p...pdf?view=Binary

 

 

Yes and is STATES

 

As long as the MISSILE (pellet or other ammunition) is NOT fired beyond those premises.

 

LG

 

you are absolutely correct that's exactly what it states, in the young persons section

 

Yes it's in a YOUNG section as it TRYING to explain to younger shooter the LAWS relating to the use of guns but just because it's in the young section does NOT mean it does not apply to people OVER 17 either

 

From here in your on your own i have said my piece and wash my hands of the whole issue!

 

I have TRIED to be forthcomming to help people prevent falling foul of the law but if you continue to live in a state of Denial then so be it. I know I won't be losing my SGC for it.

 

LG