Blakloks Posted September 25, 2013 Report Share Posted September 25, 2013 Used these on two flights now and I'm not convinced they have the hitting power anybody used these? I was flighting Canada's back onto a loch Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
edenman Posted September 25, 2013 Report Share Posted September 25, 2013 The smallest shot I'd use for Canada's would be steel 1s, those big geese can take some punishment. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chrispti Posted September 25, 2013 Report Share Posted September 25, 2013 I use the 3" 3s for duck and the 3.5" 1s for Canadas. The 3" 3s will kill close geese if you hit them up front. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tigger Posted September 25, 2013 Report Share Posted September 25, 2013 I wouldn't use 3's for geese best with bb's or 1's at a push, nothing wrong with those carts know a few who use them successfully on the foreshore with no problems..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doriboy Posted September 25, 2013 Report Share Posted September 25, 2013 You need a foot more lead! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blakloks Posted September 25, 2013 Author Report Share Posted September 25, 2013 3,s on the foreshore no way! I skelped 2 birds and they kept going Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tigger Posted September 25, 2013 Report Share Posted September 25, 2013 3,s on the foreshore no way! I skelped 2 birds and they kept going 3's for duck on the foreshore Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blakloks Posted September 25, 2013 Author Report Share Posted September 25, 2013 3's for duck on the foreshore Definitely agree there I liked he 3" gambore mammoth 3 shot on a tide flight. The mate stiffed 2 Canada with eley lightnings number 1 shot Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tigger Posted September 25, 2013 Report Share Posted September 25, 2013 Definitely agree there I liked he 3" gambore mammoth 3 shot on a tide flight. The mate stiffed 2 Canada with eley lightnings number 1 shot Have you patterned you gun with these carts? When I patterned mine I was very surprised how open my pattern was I brought a terror choke which really tightened this up and has made a massive difference to my shooting with steel Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blakloks Posted September 26, 2013 Author Report Share Posted September 26, 2013 Putting it through a mossberg full choke Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chrispti Posted September 26, 2013 Report Share Posted September 26, 2013 Putting it through a mossberg full choke Full choke is too much. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
motty Posted September 26, 2013 Report Share Posted September 26, 2013 Full choke is too much. It probably isn't. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wildfowler.250 Posted September 26, 2013 Report Share Posted September 26, 2013 In convinced this half choke story is people just covering themselves. But until proven otherwise that's what I'm sticking too. Nearly bought an aftermarket choke but I'm going to see how I get on with different shells first Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chrispti Posted September 26, 2013 Report Share Posted September 26, 2013 It probably isn't. No? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chrispti Posted September 26, 2013 Report Share Posted September 26, 2013 In convinced this half choke story is people just covering themselves. But until proven otherwise that's what I'm sticking too. Nearly bought an aftermarket choke but I'm going to see how I get on with different shells first Apparently, most of the after market steel full chokes are the same constriction as a modified/ half..... So a standard half choke for lead is a full for steel. A full choke for lead is super full ?? For steel ...... ?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wildfowler.250 Posted September 26, 2013 Report Share Posted September 26, 2013 Is it not just that steel patterns better so you get 'full' with steel through a half choke. And lead will just throw a 'half' pattern? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
anser2 Posted September 26, 2013 Report Share Posted September 26, 2013 (edited) I killed a canada the other day at 40 yards with 3 inch mammoths with no 3 shot. Not a shot size in steel I would recomend for geese ( I was expecting duck ) but provided you do not push the range they will do the job. If I was you I would step up to BB or better still BBB for geese. I think the rule about stepping up 2-3 sizes from lead to steel works , no 3 for me for small \ medium size or close duck , no 2 for high flighting mallard and BB or larger for flighting geese. As for choke and steel , I have been told by friends more knowlegable than me that afterchokes have a longer tapering choke which results in lower pressures , in contrast fixed chokes have short chokes and this increases the pressure. So you can get away with a full choke (.700) for steel with an afterchoke , but not with a fixed choke. My friend is a gunsmith and in the last few years he had handled a number of good guns , with full choke ( not steel proof ) that have bulged barrels as a result of shooting steel through them. Despite what was in the BASC mag a while ago I would recomend only using steel in guns less than 1\2 choke( fixed ) and if you want a tighter choke go for an after choke. Edited September 26, 2013 by anser2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chrispti Posted September 26, 2013 Report Share Posted September 26, 2013 Steel won't deform like lead (obviously), so squeezing it through a tight choke....... Something will eventually give. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
motty Posted September 26, 2013 Report Share Posted September 26, 2013 Steel won't deform like lead (obviously), so squeezing it through a tight choke....... Something will eventually give. I would confidently use 3 shot through a full choke. I have killed geese this week with a very tight aftermarket choke and BB shot. Fast BBs may be a bit too much for the choke i have been using (Terror .655) so i have ordered a Briley IM. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
silver pigeon 3 Posted September 26, 2013 Report Share Posted September 26, 2013 I patterned the 3 1/2 inch gamebore 3's and 1's before last season through my SX3 with standard invector + chokes and was surprised at the result! 1/4 choke gave a good useable pattern out to 40 yards, at 50 yards it was a bit gappy but that's fine with me as about 40 yards is my limit. I then tried 1/2 and at 40 yards there was very little difference apart from a few more "flyers", but the core pattern was very similar, but it did retain its shape a bit better at 50 yards. So for me i stick with 1/4 and shoot with confidence. I may try out an aftermarket choke though after reading up on them a bit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
allanm Posted September 26, 2013 Report Share Posted September 26, 2013 I would confidently use 3 shot through a full choke. I have killed geese this week with a very tight aftermarket choke and BB shot. Fast BBs may be a bit too much for the choke i have been using (Terror .655) so i have ordered a Briley IM.( a briley i/m choke is a brilliant all rounder ,and there safe with big steel shot (i emailed them and asked about using bbb and they said yes it was no problem), you can get briley chokes from chris potter guns so saves the hassle of getting one from another country Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
muncher Posted September 26, 2013 Report Share Posted September 26, 2013 I killed a canada the other day at 40 yards with 3 inch mammoths with no 3 shot. Not a shot size in steel I would recomend for geese ( I was expecting duck ) but provided you do not push the range they will do the job. If I was you I would step up to BB or better still BBB for geese. I think the rule about stepping up 2-3 sizes from lead to steel works , no 3 for me for small \ medium size or close duck , no 2 for high flighting mallard and BB or larger for flighting geese. As for choke and steel , I have been told by friends more knowlegable than me that afterchokes have a longer tapering choke which results in lower pressures , in contrast fixed chokes have short chokes and this increases the pressure. So you can get away with a full choke (.700) for steel with an afterchoke , but not with a fixed choke. My friend is a gunsmith and in the last few years he had handled a number of good guns , with full choke ( not steel proof ) that have bulged barrels as a result of shooting steel through them. Despite what was in the BASC mag a while ago I would recomend only using steel in guns less than 1\2 choke( fixed ) and if you want a tighter choke go for an after choke. Spot on I use the above but I now only load bbb for geese and 2s for all duck through after market chokes and the results are very good indeed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B525 LIGHT Posted October 28, 2013 Report Share Posted October 28, 2013 Good advice guys. Aftermarket extended chokes are the answer with large steel. As allanm said above the Briley x2 range is excellent and is fine for steel up to and including IM (3/4). Having a far more gradual taper than a standard flush choke means large steel shot can pass through with causing damage. As it happens all IM invector plus chokes are fine with steel too. It says so in any Browning manual. Not only are Brileys available in the UK from Chris potters they are also much cheaper than Terrors, Kicks high flyers etc. Midway UK have a good stock of US chokes but they're around double the price of a Briley X2. I have a .675 terror and have found it great with 36 gram 3's but far too tight with large sizes like US BB's. It also increased the shot string considerably. Best overall pattern, performance and value goes to Briley. Back to the initial question Steel 3's are similar to lead 5's but perhaps with a more rapid loss of energy over 45 yards. You won't go wrong with 3" Remmie Nitro Steel in BB's as long as you can hold your pattern together. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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