old rooster Posted October 1, 2013 Report Share Posted October 1, 2013 One thing that struck me about that vidio was from the begining it seemed to me that the bikers had no idea how to ride on a motorway they had no lane sence at all they seemed to be like a sworm of wasps all over the place do they not understand that you do not overtake on the inside it would seem no. Exactly! I sure wouldn't want to join that lot on a rideout. No excuse for running another road user off the road and then not stopping, maybe if the car driver had stopped when he hit the first bike things wouldn't have escalated? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
-Mongrel- Posted October 1, 2013 Report Share Posted October 1, 2013 Just been reading a bit more on this. It got really out of hand after the video. Apparently the driver was hauled out of the Rangey, battered and slashed, wife and kid untouched. Excessive and unforgivable. I'd still like to believe if he'd stopped and called the police, or endeavoured to keep rolling at a slow pace it would have ended much better. The guy who brake checked him has been nicked, fair do's, it was reckless...one of the guys he ran over has two broken legs and pelvis, is in an induced coma and may well never walk again. There are currently no plans to charge the driver...which seems a bit odd whens he's been video'd running over several bikers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TIGHTCHOKE Posted October 1, 2013 Report Share Posted October 1, 2013 One thing that struck me about that vidio was from the begining it seemed to me that the bikers had no idea how to ride on a motorway they had no lane sence at all they seemed to be like a sworm of wasps all over the place do they not understand that you do not overtake on the inside it would seem no. The way that I see it it is like if you have a wasp bothering you one wasp is a pest two wasps is a pain a sworm of wasps you run for cover and that is what the guy did bikers have not got the best of reputations for being nice people unless that is you are one of them. Perfectly legal in America! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
castletyne Posted October 1, 2013 Report Share Posted October 1, 2013 Just been reading a bit more on this. It got really out of hand after the video. Apparently the driver was hauled out of the Rangey, battered and slashed, wife and kid untouched. Excessive and unforgivable. I'd still like to believe if he'd stopped and called the police, or endeavoured to keep rolling at a slow pace it would have ended much better. The guy who brake checked him has been nicked, fair do's, it was reckless...one of the guys he ran over has two broken legs and pelvis, is in an induced coma and may well never walk again. There are currently no plans to charge the driver...which seems a bit odd whens he's been video'd running over several bikers. the reason he's not being charged could be that in America you're allowed to defend yourself Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TIGHTCHOKE Posted October 1, 2013 Report Share Posted October 1, 2013 Just been reading a bit more on this. It got really out of hand after the video. Apparently the driver was hauled out of the Rangey, battered and slashed, wife and kid untouched. Excessive and unforgivable. I'd still like to believe if he'd stopped and called the police, or endeavoured to keep rolling at a slow pace it would have ended much better. The guy who brake checked him has been nicked, fair do's, it was reckless...one of the guys he ran over has two broken legs and pelvis, is in an induced coma and may well never walk again. There are currently no plans to charge the driver...which seems a bit odd whens he's been video'd running over several bikers. Perhaps those that make judgements on such matters have access to much more information than members of a shooting forum in the UK! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
-Mongrel- Posted October 1, 2013 Report Share Posted October 1, 2013 the reason he's not being charged could be that in America you're allowed to defend yourself Yeah, I suppose it could be. Perhaps those that make judgements on such matters have access to much more information than members of a shooting forum in the UK! I am fairly happy that the video of him running people over was sufficient information to allow me to make a judgement. If it had happened in the UK, the driver and the bikers would have been nicked...only in America maybe. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aris Posted October 1, 2013 Report Share Posted October 1, 2013 (edited) All i see is future organ donors riding in an irresponsible manner. Yep see them on the motorway every day. Edited October 1, 2013 by aris Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lincs1963 Posted October 1, 2013 Report Share Posted October 1, 2013 All i see is future organ donors riding in an irresponsible manner. The usual response from people who are too scared to ride a bike. Bikers would be less likely to become 'organ donors' as you put it if other road users were more aware of them and didn't text, shave, read the paper etc while driving. The thing with a bike is your attention is focused, very few distractions inside a crash helmet. This thread could go round and round forever, up to now nobody on this forum knows what led to the incident. From the video both parties appear to have overreacted to whatever started things. I just hope all concerned recover quickly and justice is done. ATB, Neil (lifelong biker) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aris Posted October 1, 2013 Report Share Posted October 1, 2013 The usual response from people who are too scared to ride a bike. Bikers would be less likely to become 'organ donors' as you put it if other road users were more aware of them and didn't text, shave, read the paper etc while driving. The thing with a bike is your attention is focused, very few distractions inside a crash helmet. This thread could go round and round forever, up to now nobody on this forum knows what led to the incident. From the video both parties appear to have overreacted to whatever started things. I just hope all concerned recover quickly and justice is done. ATB, Neil (lifelong biker) I'm sure there are plenty of good bikers. The ones which i see are the ones who weave through traffic between lanes with only inches to spare - and give you a dirty look if you don't move over or them to pass between two cars. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mentalmac Posted October 1, 2013 Report Share Posted October 1, 2013 All i see is future organ donors riding in an irresponsible manner. I first saw a nutter in a range rover thinking his man equipment is bigger due to his car (typical range rover driver) mowing down bikers... Two can play at the generalisation game. In seriousness, both parties in wrong, but in terms of who hit who first - surely a hit and run is bad. Are you telling us that if you're friend or kid etc... Is hit and they run, would you give chase and stop them? And if they wouldn't stop, maybe the red mist would over take you and you may take it out on them a bit? I reckon I would be a LOT less forgiving than those bikers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
old rooster Posted October 1, 2013 Report Share Posted October 1, 2013 I'm sure there are plenty of good bikers. The ones which i see are the ones who weave through traffic between lanes with only inches to spare - and give you a dirty look if you don't move over or them to pass between two cars. Why would car drivers want to block their progress? Nothing wrong with sensible filtering, we have the advantage of getting through traffic while riding the bikes but the downside of being more vulnerable to other road users bad driving and the climate. In an ideal world everybody would have an element of understanding of others and some basic good manners. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aris Posted October 1, 2013 Report Share Posted October 1, 2013 (edited) Seemed self defence to me. While not common here, in other parts of the world, carjacking is a serious problem. Edited October 1, 2013 by aris Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aris Posted October 1, 2013 Report Share Posted October 1, 2013 Why would car drivers want to block their progress? Nothing wrong with sensible filtering, we have the advantage of getting through traffic while riding the bikes but the downside of being more vulnerable to other road users bad driving and the climate. In an ideal world everybody would have an element of understanding of others and some basic good manners. I don't think anyone deliberately blocks - but if you are in your lane, the expectation from some bikers is that you give way for them if they can't filter through. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
old rooster Posted October 1, 2013 Report Share Posted October 1, 2013 I don't think anyone deliberately blocks - but if you are in your lane, the expectation from some bikers is that you give way for them if they can't filter through. Oh they sure as hell do move over to block old mate!, it doesn't get them any further up the road themselves but they are damned if anybody else is going to. On the motorway if a car stays in the middle of its lane there is room between lanes for bikes to safely filter. It probably looks scarier from the car drivers perspective but rest assured that the bike rider is well aware of his/her vulnerability. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Malik Posted October 1, 2013 Report Share Posted October 1, 2013 (edited) He hit a biker off, then tried to get away... Is that not hit and run? Why not stay at the scence and wait for the police. If a friend of mine or even a rider in the street was a victim of a hit and run. Id think about chasing them. Not letting them get away until the police come. Or better still, get their number plate. I think a sterotypical picture has been painted here, maybe wrongly as well. Family man with wife and child A male/female with a group of other riders. Hit and run is wrong no matter who you are. Deciding not to face the coinsquences of an accident and deciding to run is far worse. It makes the situation worse when you decide to knock a load more bikers off. In my opinion, although its not the action i would of taken. He deserved to have his windows put in. My daughter was knocked off her motorbike at a rally, by a van driver that didn't stop. About 50 bikes went after him and stopped him going anywhere, until the police arrived. Nobody attacked the driver and he was not at risk, but he should not have driven off. The chap in New York saying he was worried about his family, was probably just as worried about losing his licence and having his insurance premium increase. He should have stayed at the incident and remained in his car until the police arrived. You can bet they weren't far away with a big bike rally taking place. Well said Edited October 1, 2013 by Malik Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FalconFN Posted October 1, 2013 Report Share Posted October 1, 2013 (edited) As has been said a few times, you don't know what happened before the filming. The original incident could have been very minor but the bikers reaction could have been threatening. Or he is a fecal deposit that didn't want the bother of an insurance claim and tried his luck. Either way it didn't end well for anyone. The problem with both bikes and cars is that each driver/rider only notices the few people that drive/ride badly. Edited October 1, 2013 by FalconFN Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aris Posted October 1, 2013 Report Share Posted October 1, 2013 Oh they sure as hell do move over to block old mate!, it doesn't get them any further up the road themselves but they are damned if anybody else is going to. On the motorway if a car stays in the middle of its lane there is room between lanes for bikes to safely filter. It probably looks scarier from the car drivers perspective but rest assured that the bike rider is well aware of his/her vulnerability. I have no doubt bikers are aware of the risks. It opens the question if filtering should be banned like it is in most of the US. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
castletyne Posted October 1, 2013 Report Share Posted October 1, 2013 Maybe he had watched MAD MAX the night before and the scene of the man running across the field with a bright red backside had stuck in his mind Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
old rooster Posted October 1, 2013 Report Share Posted October 1, 2013 I have no doubt bikers are aware of the risks. It opens the question if filtering should be banned like it is in most of the US. No need to ban it, why would you want to do that? You might as well suggest that they should ban motorway overtaking in the nearside in the US just because our laws don't allow it on "safety" grounds. All we need is for people to drive a bit more attentively and stop playing with their distracting in car toys. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boromir Posted October 1, 2013 Report Share Posted October 1, 2013 No need to ban it, why would you want to do that? You might as well suggest that they should ban motorway overtaking in the nearside in the US just because our laws don't allow it on "safety" grounds. All we need is for people to drive a bit more attentively and stop playing with their distracting in car toys. Yeap we got to watch out for the 100+mph bikers and when things go wrong like someone pulls out in front of them because they misjudged it the driver gets blame. Here on the A82 no speed camaras you can hear them long before you see them even from the other side of the Loch. Of course Im not accusing all of them from speeding but why you blame car drivers for all accidents involving bikes? Would like to know the actual percentage of which is to blame in accidents Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rimfire4969 Posted October 2, 2013 Report Share Posted October 2, 2013 Perhaps those that make judgements on such matters have access to much more information than members of a shooting forum in the UK! Oh come on, everyone knows that PW has the answer to everything. I blame GTA5. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
old rooster Posted October 2, 2013 Report Share Posted October 2, 2013 Yeap we got to watch out for the 100+mph bikers and when things go wrong like someone pulls out in front of them because they misjudged it the driver gets blame. Here on the A82 no speed camaras you can hear them long before you see them even from the other side of the Loch. Of course Im not accusing all of them from speeding but why you blame car drivers for all accidents involving bikes? Would like to know the actual percentage of which is to blame in accidents Having been a motorcyclist for over 42 years I've probably got a tad of experience to go on, my personal approach to making progress is that wherever I am at the time other road users should be able to assume that I am riding within the speed limit and thus I'm very aware of other road users out there. This tends to carry across to car driving in as much as I'm aware of others who are potential threats, I've got reasonable peripheral vision and use that in both instances. My comments were regarding filtering if you actually read and understood my post, I don't do that at high speed so can't see why lane hopping motorists shouldn't be expected to look in their mirrors before pulling out? As for blaming car drivers for all accidents involving bikes I don't know where you got that from either? Causation factors vary immensely but you might be surprised to find that the speed issue isn't quite as prominent as you might think. I did 5 years on the award winning Northants motorcycle casualty reduction forum and the information that provided was quite an eye opener!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
delburt0 Posted October 2, 2013 Report Share Posted October 2, 2013 (edited) I would have run over as many as possible that got in my way or was causing a threat they get infront of you and jump on the brakes they deserve it if they are stupid enough to do this they should carry the consequences , he was protecting his family, Wonder if there had been 1 biker involved it would have happened (think not) cowardly bunch of retards springs to mind, can only wonder why drive into the Bronx where it was conjested I'd have stopped on the freeway and rang chips macho and ponch would have seen em off Edited October 2, 2013 by delburt0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
old rooster Posted October 2, 2013 Report Share Posted October 2, 2013 I would have run over as many as possible that got in my way or was causing a threat they get infront of you and jump on the brakes they deserve it if they are stupid enough to do this they should carry the consequences , he was protecting his family, Wonder if there had been 1 biker involved it would have happened (think not) cowardly bunch of retards springs to mind, can only wonder why drive into the Bronx where it was conjested I'd have stopped on the freeway and rang chips macho and ponch would have seen em off If there had been one biker involved it would have resulted in the biker he ran over and left for dead being in intensive care and the car driver never found. The story would never have made the news as it wouldn't have been so unusual. We'd never have heard of it and this thread would never have existed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
m3vert Posted October 2, 2013 Report Share Posted October 2, 2013 If there had been one biker involved it would have resulted in the biker he ran over and left for dead being in intensive care and the car driver never found. The story would never have made the news as it wouldn't have been so unusual. We'd never have heard of it and this thread would never have existed. OR alternatively, it would have ended up with the driver of the Range Rover pulling over, helping out the rider by applying first aid and calling an ambulance, but then feeling terrible for the rest of his life due to the fact the rider was dead. And all maybe because the motorcyclist was a clown on the road?? You don't know and neither do I so why speculate? Bottom line is no one knows on here what happened before the filming started! And for sure no one knows what the range rover driver would have done had there not been a pack of cave men on motorbikes chasing him and his family!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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