deaquire Posted October 11, 2013 Report Share Posted October 11, 2013 I moved out from the farmhouse a few months back and am just getting around to moving my gun cabinet (hopefully). The problem I'm having is that it is a new build house. I know where I want to put it, in the corner of my bedroom, behind the wardrobe so plenty out of sight, but the walls seem to be plaster board. Even though one of them is an exterior wall, the other a supporting wall (as far as I can tell). So my question is, which wall should I fix it to, and what should I use? My cabinet has holes drilled for 4 x bolts. If I choose the inside, supporting wall, there is an option of drilling right through the wall and using some kind of plate on the other side and bolting it from the inside. Cheers, Dave Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Euget123 Posted October 11, 2013 Report Share Posted October 11, 2013 Very few houses in the uk will hav non block/brick exterior walls! I recently encountered a wall which wen u knockedon it sounded very like plasterboard but it turned out to be a block wall with a layer of kingspan(insulation board)attached then p/b then the finish! Majority of my work is not new builds so not sure if this is general practice or just some magical diy job! Might be worth investigating Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dekers Posted October 11, 2013 Report Share Posted October 11, 2013 (edited) I moved out from the farmhouse a few months back and am just getting around to moving my gun cabinet (hopefully). The problem I'm having is that it is a new build house. I know where I want to put it, in the corner of my bedroom, behind the wardrobe so plenty out of sight, but the walls seem to be plaster board. Even though one of them is an exterior wall, the other a supporting wall (as far as I can tell). So my question is, which wall should I fix it to, and what should I use? My cabinet has holes drilled for 4 x bolts. If I choose the inside, supporting wall, there is an option of drilling right through the wall and using some kind of plate on the other side and bolting it from the inside. Cheers, Dave Odds are it is simply dry lined, get a small drill bit or bradawl and make a hole somewhere inconspicuous, I suspect you will find something a bit firmer, but on a new build that is likely to be an insulating block which needs work to give a secure anchor. Edited October 11, 2013 by Dekers Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deaquire Posted October 11, 2013 Author Report Share Posted October 11, 2013 Odds are it is simply dry lined, get a small drill bit or bradawl and make a hole somewhere inconspicuous, I suspect you will find something a bit firmer, but on a new build that is likely to be an insulating block which needs work to give a secure anchor. In our showroom we have a lot of plaster board walls and I use expanding metal cavity anchors, they seem firm but I don't think they'd be strong enough if you really wanted to rive it off the wall I assume the wall is solid beyond the plaster board, but I think there is a void before getting to anything solid so no idea how long the bolts are going to have to be :( Bloody new builds!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CharlieT Posted October 11, 2013 Report Share Posted October 11, 2013 Easiest and surest way is to use chemical anchors into the exterior wall. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
itchy trigger Posted October 11, 2013 Report Share Posted October 11, 2013 Easiest and surest way is to use chemical anchors into the exterior wall. +1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HDAV Posted October 11, 2013 Report Share Posted October 11, 2013 (edited) Use rigifix or similar the wall will be brick/block with plasterboard lining may be dot and dab or batons either way rigifix will work http://www.rigifix.com/index_files/Page1153.htm Edited October 11, 2013 by HDAV Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
archiebald Posted October 11, 2013 Report Share Posted October 11, 2013 a while ago I lived in a house exactly as you describe, I got a long masonary bit and drilled through the inner blocks and as soon as I the hit solid exterior wall I put a marker on the drill bit so I didnt drill all the way through the brick. I then put the rawl bolt on a pice of threaded bar with a nut on first wich I tightened slightly (just to open it ip a tiny bit) I then fed this through the block and tapped into the brick and tightened it up via a nut in the cabinate and all 4 worked perfectly. it was proberbley the most secure safe I have bolted in to date! hope this helps. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deaquire Posted October 12, 2013 Author Report Share Posted October 12, 2013 Thanks HDAV, how does it work? Does it expand? Can anyone point me in the direction of a suitable chemical anchor? I tried that once before and the stuff just fell down behind the wall never to be seen again Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
r1steele Posted October 12, 2013 Report Share Posted October 12, 2013 Thanks HDAV, how does it work? Does it expand? Can anyone point me in the direction of a suitable chemical anchor? I tried that once before and the stuff just fell down behind the wall never to be seen again Try screwfix for anchors. Sellotape the anchor to the length of threaded rod so when you insert it into to predrilled hole it doesn't fall into the cavity and once in the hole you just hammer the threaded rod into the glass anchor and leave until it has set, then it's ready for the nuts to go on. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HDAV Posted October 12, 2013 Report Share Posted October 12, 2013 (edited) if you click he link it shows how it works its a plug anchor that goes into the brick/block and then has 2 threaded inserts one to fit between plug in the block expanding the plug and bridgeing the gap between block and board then a bolt the goes in and tightens to the spacer. http://www.rigifix.com/index_files/Page489.htm video on how they work..... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xaYfs3lr1jI Edited October 12, 2013 by HDAV Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dekers Posted October 12, 2013 Report Share Posted October 12, 2013 if you click he link it shows how it works its a plug anchor that goes into the brick/block and then has 2 threaded inserts one to fit between plug in the block expanding the plug and bridgeing the gap between block and board then a bolt the goes in and tightens to the spacer. http://www.rigifix.com/index_files/Page489.htm video on how they work..... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xaYfs3lr1jI These may well work dependent on the wall type behind the plasterboard, but they are simply a variant of the normal plug and screw system. If it is a modern house as indicated, the odds are strong the wall is one of the various types of thermal insulating blocks, these have no great anchor strength and are EASY to drill and crack/split/crumble, if these are present the Chemical anchors are a much better bet! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deaquire Posted October 12, 2013 Author Report Share Posted October 12, 2013 As I haven't had much success with chemical anchors in the past and don't know which is good and which isn't, I'm thinking expanding bolts and some sort of sticking agent on the back of the cabinet e.g. low modulus silicone which should allow for a little bit of flexibility should the walls move slightly being a new property. My family own the house so planning on staying there for a long time and if worst comes to the worst and it has to come down it's not too difficult to re-plaster. Any thoughts on that method? I spoke to the police about the move and they're not going to check it until I'm due to have my check up which is something like 4 years away I think. I'd really like to get it in place and then have them come check but don't think that's gunna happen so whatever I do, it's gotta be rock solid. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HDAV Posted October 12, 2013 Report Share Posted October 12, 2013 These may well work dependent on the wall type behind the plasterboard, but they are simply a variant of the normal plug and screw system. But specifically designed for modern builds with drylined walls and link i posted above shows the load rating in thermolite and heavy duty block.......... Resin works well, but can be faffy without seeing the wall construction impossible to say...... would take over 200kg to pull each one out if concerned drill the cabinet to take 8-10 bolts instead of 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deaquire Posted October 12, 2013 Author Report Share Posted October 12, 2013 They look good but the anchor only seems to be about 4 inches long? If the block work is any further back than that, I'm not sure but it's an external wall so could be. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deaquire Posted October 12, 2013 Author Report Share Posted October 12, 2013 Something like this; http://www.sealantsandtoolsdirect.co.uk/chemical_anchors_anchor_fix/everbuild_anchorset_red_chemical_anchor_300ml_P23512.html?gclid=CJq3jqeqkboCFQ_LtAodfAIAiw As well as something like; http://www.timco.co.uk/ProductGrp/000100070002 - use a lot of these at work and they're pretty damn effective And finally; http://www.screwfix.com/p/evo-stik-sticks-like-sh-t-clear-290ml/57252?kpid=57252&cm_mmc=Google-_-Product%20Listing%20Ads-_-Sales%20Tracking-_-sales%20tracking%20url&gclid=CKblu4urkboCFXMQtAod8SIACA Slap something like that on the back of the cabinet? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HDAV Posted October 12, 2013 Report Share Posted October 12, 2013 (edited) its your wall get a drill, drill a hole and measure it all dims are here http://www.rigifix.com/index_files/Page489.htm you know the plasterboard anchors (brolly bolts/balloons) are nowhere near as strong as rigifix ones and no point bonding them in at all............. If you use them at work what do you use them for? As for gluing the cabinet to the board well that's one way to make life impossible for you to remove it if you need fit a bigger one or do indeed move... If you fix to the plaster board as you suggest i would have the cabinet off the wall in under 3 min........... as i can just cut the board and the board will come with the cabinet! That is why it needs to be fixed to the block that cant be cut with a hand saw/stanley/screwdriver/kitchen knife !!!! Edited October 12, 2013 by HDAV Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
K Mac Posted October 12, 2013 Report Share Posted October 12, 2013 In the past I have used BZP coach screws to fasten cabinets to the floor in a cuboard or the attic just need to fined the joists worked for me Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
K Mac Posted October 12, 2013 Report Share Posted October 12, 2013 Forgot to say it is lying flat on the floor Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deaquire Posted October 12, 2013 Author Report Share Posted October 12, 2013 its your wall get a drill, drill a hole and measure it all dims are here http://www.rigifix.com/index_files/Page489.htm you know the plasterboard anchors (brolly bolts/balloons) are nowhere near as strong as rigifix ones and no point bonding them in at all............. If you use them at work what do you use them for? As for gluing the cabinet to the board well that's one way to make life impossible for you to remove it if you need fit a bigger one or do indeed move... If you fix to the plaster board as you suggest i would have the cabinet off the wall in under 3 min........... as i can just cut the board and the board will come with the cabinet! That is why it needs to be fixed to the block that cant be cut with a hand saw/stanley/screwdriver/kitchen knife !!!! Ok, taken on board and will rethink and aim to screw into the block. Thank you Forgot to say it is lying flat on the floor Bungalow so no beams in the floor of my bedroom. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robbiep Posted October 13, 2013 Report Share Posted October 13, 2013 If you REALLY want to know the wall construction, and what is or is not behind the plasterboard, pop down to your council planning office. The building regs documents (which show details of how construction is done so that it complies with various standards) are a matter of public record. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Recommended Posts
Join the conversation
You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account.
Note: Your post will require moderator approval before it will be visible.