thinking about gettin a daystate in F.A.C help please ?

[harryrod]

Thinking about getting a daystate air ranger @40ft/ib in .22 or.25 do they go any higher than 40ft/ib also looking at the wolverine b-type @40ft/ib does any one no when it comes out in F.A.C all opinions are taken in thanks very much ..

[eccles]

Hi Mate iv'e got the Ranger in FAC 40lb its a hell of a tool. Don't bother with the 60lb + no need. atb Terry

[mick miller]

I think anything over 30 is pointless myself. Daystate's are a good rifle maker. Good choice.

 

I still love my Rapid though.

Edited October 21, 2013 by mick miller

[chrisjpainter]

Don't bother with the Ranger! If you're buying new, hold out for the new Wolverine B type, which comes out in mid november. The Ranger is supposed to be superseded in pretty much every way by the wolverine. All they've done is take all the internals out of the .303 and shoved them into the look of the Wolf/ranger. It's lighter than the ranger, and cheaper than the ranger. It's also got an anti double shotting mechanism. eventually, all the internals will trickle down into the lower models, but the ranger has had its day. there's a thread on here about the New Wolverine. have a read through that and watch the vid clips in there.

 

Slight problem is the .25 won't be out for a while. I THINK it will come, but not yet...so there's no point in taking it over 40 ft/lb. When it comes though, the .25 will be much more able to cope with the 80ft/lb energy than the Ranger ever was, because the ranger was working very close to what the internals could actually handle, but the Wolverine is happy shooting @ 100ft/lb

 

Oh btw. Welcome to the site! enjoy your stay. plenty of useful people to ask questions of, and more than a few Daystate nuts!

Edited October 21, 2013 by chrisjpainter

[Dekers]

Thinking about getting a daystate air ranger @40ft/ib in .22 or.25? do they go any higher than 40ft/ib also looking at the wolverine b-type @40ft/ib does any one no when it comes out in F.A.C all opinions are taken in thanks very much ..

 

What do you want to do with it?

 

I had a single shot Huntsman about 15 years ago running about 32-33ft lb I seem to remember, I currently run a Falcon at 25-26ft lb, both in .22, that does for me, but then again I also run 12ft lb, and an assortment of rimfire, centrefire and shotguns!

[kent]

I don't see the point in an airgun that does what a .22 lr can. The purchase price upkeep and depreciation don't add up. I should buy a 30ft lb or thereabouts PCP and for any who need more a .22 lr makes a stack more logic.

In fact I found my 30ft lb PCP a bit too neichey and my mate has it now (though I retained use of it on my cert). The prices of a new FAC pcp are crazy

[turbo33]

Hi Mate iv'e got the Ranger in FAC 40lb its a hell of a tool. Don't bother with the 60lb + no need. atb Terry

 

Completely agree with Terry My .22 Airwolf does 36 ftlbs with Bisley Magnums. I shot a pigeon with it last week at 68 yards and the pellet went straight through the breast, heart and out the other side. :o With that sort of performance, I'm not entirely sure why anyone would want to go .25 or higher on power, but each to there own. PM Maxtich on here, he has a 17month old Air Ranger, 40ftlbs for £700, that's a hell of a saving for a top notch FAC rifle. You will need nothing else

[Guest cookoff013]

I don't see the point in an airgun that does what a .22 lr can. The purchase price upkeep and depreciation don't add up. I should buy a 30ft lb or thereabouts PCP and for any who need more a .22 lr makes a stack more logic.

In fact I found my 30ft lb PCP a bit too neichey and my mate has it now (though I retained use of it on my cert). The prices of a new FAC pcp are crazy

 

yeah we all think about depreciation of prices and upkeep when we go and buy new toys. shooting is a consumer hobby, we buy and expel ammunition. i hasen to think how much money i`ve spent on shotgun ammo in the past 10 years. let alone the specialist / steel ammo that usually has a premium price to match.

 

my advice would be to go for the .25 and buy some barracuda / bisley magnums. have it running at 900ft /sec and leave it.

Edited October 22, 2013 by cookoff013

[Dekers]

 

yeah we all think about depreciation of prices and upkeep when we go and buy new toys. shooting is a consumer hobby, we buy and expel ammunition. i hasen to think how much money i`ve spent on shotgun ammo in the past 10 years. let alone the specialist / steel ammo that usually has a premium price to match.

 

my advice would be to go for the .25 and buy some barracuda / bisley magnums. have it running at 900ft /sec and leave it.

 

I'd be interested to here more as to why you suggest .25 and Baracuda, they come in 28.45g and 31.02g and at 900ft sec would produce 51 and 56 ft lb, as far as I'm aware Bisley Magnum are not available in .25 (I could be wrong)

[kent]

 

yeah we all think about depreciation of prices and upkeep when we go and buy new toys. shooting is a consumer hobby, we buy and expel ammunition. i hasen to think how much money i`ve spent on shotgun ammo in the past 10 years. let alone the specialist / steel ammo that usually has a premium price to match.

 

my advice would be to go for the .25 and buy some barracuda / bisley magnums. have it running at 900ft /sec and leave it.

 

Heck when it comes to New FAC airguns you should they drop like stones. Ammo is used but many guns appreciate, I am not into wasting money on guns when I can mostly draw a profit- each to their own

[eccles]

When i bought my FAC i thought hard about buying one. Same as others have said not cheap with all the kit and me being tight.

But have a hell of a lot of land to shoot over,with lots of small fields. This rifle gets used a lot,and a lot of the farms that i shoot have loads of rabbit around the farm houses building etc.I can go there and shoot rabbits and the farmers don't know iv'e had any shots until they see the bag.

I would not do without this rifle,if it broke down and could not be repair for some reason,i would be in my mates gunshop next day for a new one. Not saying it would be a Ranger but would be a Daystate FAC 40lb rifle.

There are a few members on here that have seen my Ranger in action all think its awesome. atb Terry

[Salop Matt]

I would vote for 30 or 40ftlb .22 because of the pellet choice available, There just isnt the need for the .25cal IMO.

My choice would be either buy the second hand ranger mentioned above or go for the new Wolverine but myself I would go for the bottle version not the tube one if you wanted a wolverine!

 

Kent,

 

There are Pros and Cons for everything and comparing the two is difficult but for me here are the pros that made me go FAC AIR and get rid of my .22lr:

• No ammo limit
• No requirement to store ammo in a safe
• In places can shoot skywards (simply would never do it myself with a .22lr)
• Land owners seem more comfortable with air gun use over "bullet guns"
• Already had charging gear for an air rifle
• While can ricochett, it doesnt anythign like a .22lr (both shot over the same land, my .22lr lasted 6 weeks with me because of ricochetts off real good backstops, yet to have one with FAC AIR)
• If needed the Mrs could pick me a tin of pellets up
• 60/70 yards quarry is all equally dead and cant tell the difference (some can extend this range)
• Some of the FAC air rifles while still on FAC can be turned down to lower powers for shooting in barns etc

My .22lr is my go to rifle these days, I dont have 1 quarry species that is a specific target so when I go out I want something thats a bit of a multi tool, a walk around my permitions can throu up rabbits, covids, squirrels and pigeons so not all my shots will be down hill onto quarry on the ground.

 

Horses for courses as they say

 

ATB

 

Matt

[turbo33]

I would vote for 30 or 40ftlb .22 because of the pellet choice available, There just isnt the need for the .25cal IMO.

My choice would be either buy the second hand ranger mentioned above or go for the new Wolverine but myself I would go for the bottle version not the tube one if you wanted a wolverine!

 

Kent,

 

There are Pros and Cons for everything and comparing the two is difficult but for me here are the pros that made me go FAC AIR and get rid of my .22lr:

• No ammo limit
• No requirement to store ammo in a safe
• In places can shoot skywards (simply would never do it myself with a .22lr)
• Land owners seem more comfortable with air gun use over "bullet guns"
• Already had charging gear for an air rifle
• While can ricochett, it doesnt anythign like a .22lr (both shot over the same land, my .22lr lasted 6 weeks with me because of ricochetts off real good backstops, yet to have one with FAC AIR)
• If needed the Mrs could pick me a tin of pellets up
• 60/70 yards quarry is all equally dead and cant tell the difference (some can extend this range)
• Some of the FAC air rifles while still on FAC can be turned down to lower powers for shooting in barns etc

My .22lr is my go to rifle these days, I dont have 1 quarry species that is a specific target so when I go out I want something thats a bit of a multi tool, a walk around my permitions can throu up rabbits, covids, squirrels and pigeons so not all my shots will be down hill onto quarry on the ground.

 

Horses for courses as they say

 

ATB

 

Matt

 

Absolutely spot on Matt. But you there's nowt so blind as those that can't see

Edited October 22, 2013 by turbo33

[moorvale55]

Someone said that Daystate make great air rifles, they don't. The rifles are fantastic but all they do is put the bits together, they don't make any of the bits themselves. Air Arms make their own. I have been through the Daystate factory, it's an old army nissan hut complex. People who see the vids etc would be very let down by the vision. I was there when the Wolverine 303 was about to be released, I must have been one of the first people to see the pellets and barrels etc, but they made none of the components and the pellets are brought in. When you see the guided tour on You tube the reception area looks great, only to find that it is shared with another engineering company on the site and the area is tiny. I am not knocking Daystate in any way, they supply some great rifles, just be aware that the hype is not always what it seems.

[Dekers]

Someone said that Daystate make great air rifles, they don't. The rifles are fantastic but all they do is put the bits together, they don't make any of the bits themselves. Air Arms make their own. I have been through the Daystate factory, it's an old army nissan hut complex. People who see the vids etc would be very let down by the vision. I was there when the Wolverine 303 was about to be released, I must have been one of the first people to see the pellets and barrels etc, but they made none of the components and the pellets are brought in. When you see the guided tour on You tube the reception area looks great, only to find that it is shared with another engineering company on the site and the area is tiny. I am not knocking Daystate in any way, they supply some great rifles, just be aware that the hype is not always what it seems.

 

I don't think much is actually made in the UK either, for some region Northern Europe(ish) comes to mind, I believe much is made in Belgium, Holland or Denmark, I can't remember which!

[bullet boy]

When i bought my FAC i thought hard about buying one. Same as others have said not cheap with all the kit and me being tight.

But have a hell of a lot of land to shoot over,with lots of small fields. This rifle gets used a lot,and a lot of the farms that i shoot have loads of rabbit around the farm houses building etc.I can go there and shoot rabbits and the farmers don't know iv'e had any shots until they see the bag.

I would not do without this rifle,if it broke down and could not be repair for some reason,i would be in my mates gunshop next day for a new one. Not saying it would be a Ranger but would be a Daystate FAC 40lb rifle.

There are a few members on here that have seen my Ranger in action all think its awesome. atb Terry

I've been out loads of times with Terry and his Awesome FAC Air Ranger!

It really is a superb rifle.His .17HMR is redundant at the mo cos his Ranger is his first choice for Rabbit Control!!

[Guest cookoff013]

 

I'd be interested to here more as to why you suggest .25 and Baracuda, they come in 28.45g and 31.02g and at 900ft sec would produce 51 and 56 ft lb, as far as I'm aware Bisley Magnum are not available in .25 (I could be wrong)

 

the baracudas are bisley mags, just run on a different qc.

as to why i would run them at that, 900fps isnt out of any high performance issues, its a high enough speed for most pellets to cope with. and it completely avoids the sound barrier.

 

now if you compare a 21grain pellet at 21ftlbs, it should have similar charicteristics (zeroing) as 15grain pellet at 15ftlbs (as long as the bc stays the same for both pellets.)

what the .25 does is put a huge piece of lead, and a lot more energy to the target. at 900fps or 50ftlbs, would be a great tool for the airgun only shooter.

 

that is also where alot of american airgunners have there loads. its uneconomic at higher, and not quite worth it lower. performance.

 

as for the 22lr vs the fac air.... thats a different argument.

[techno]

The other argument of course is the fact you could use low powered rounds 50lb ish in your LR, rws for example, you would need to rezero but then you now have a low powered LR.The other argument is i can go from 6-34lb with my AA 510 fac xtra.(For sale btw doh!), which you cant do with a LR.Which makes the adjustable power on the 510 a key to several rifles in one.

There are a lot of plus points salop sniper raised which i hadnt thought of much to his credit.However i own both FAC air and LR and they both get used equally.

Running 34LB with the 510 you'll be lucky to find a pellet in a rabbit,woody or a dove, there will be two holes normally...so the need for 50-60lb in a hunting scenario i would guess is needless.(incoming...)

The daystates do look super sexy and is a make which is on my shortlist.

[Bluebarrels]

Good rifles,FAC has it's place BB

Edited October 23, 2013 by Bluebarrels

[Salop Matt]

The other argument of course is the fact you could use low powered rounds 50lb ish in your LR, rws for example, you would need to rezero but then you now have a low powered LR.The other argument is i can go from 6-34lb with my AA 510 fac xtra.(For sale btw doh!), which you cant do with a LR.Which makes the adjustable power on the 510 a key to several rifles in one.

There are a lot of plus points salop sniper raised which i hadnt thought of much to his credit.However i own both FAC air and LR and they both get used equally.

Running 34LB with the 510 you'll be lucky to find a pellet in a rabbit,woody or a dove, there will be two holes normally...so the need for 50-60lb in a hunting scenario i would guess is needless.(incoming...)

The daystates do look super sexy and is a make which is on my shortlist.

Also with the .22lr shorts / cb's is you have to get them to group and then there is so much more extra energy you just don't need and still can't (I wouldn't) shoot them up hill !

 

ATB

 

Matt

[techno]

Also with the .22lr shorts / cb's is you have to get them to group and then there is so much more extra energy you just don't need and still can't (I wouldn't) shoot them up hill !

 

ATB

 

Matt

very good point about shooting upwards..

[happyshooter]

I use a daystate ranger @37 fpe .22 ,& Kalbrgun Cricket Bullpup .22@27fpe

and a wolverine 100fpe .303, the air ranger is my fav fac airgun, i use this where

i cannot use a .22LR rimfire .Its horses for courses. Fac air has its uses,

2014 beckons to another bullpup the FX Bobcat.25 fac, it should make a great

hide/ shooting from vehicles gun and with NV fitted.

atb brian

[simon6ppc]

i actually use a rapid and to be honest i want a fac daystate as they look smart and have all the latest gizmos on,the problem is when i shoot them they arn't as accurate as my rapid so ime a bit sick realy,i do believe other folk must use them and be happy with them,dont know just what i have experienced,unless what other folk call accurate is what i call average,cheers simon

Edited October 27, 2013 by simon6ppc

[Salop Matt]

Simon,

 

What performance are you getting from your Rapid ?

 

ATB

 

Matt

[simon6ppc]

Simon,

 

What performance are you getting from your Rapid ?

 

ATB

 

Matt

hyia pal,its a mark 1 doing 32ftlb, ive had it doing 40ftlb but seemed to much and got less shots so keep it at 32 now,i use AA,s 16 or 18 grain and they honestly shoot clover leaf groups at 50 yard when i do my bit, i have shot the same some times at 70 yard but as i don't lie not day in day out,ive had it since they came out new and realy apart from the odd seal going has never let me down,for years now ive been wanting a new fac air rifle for the quick fill bit more than any thing else,but when i shoot these very nice guns out these days on paper they cant match my rapids accuracy,ime not one of these folk who just swears by a certain gun just one that shoots brilliant and is reliable and as yet this old looking gun just cant let me down and the new ones can't match its accuracy ,cheers simon....

Edited October 27, 2013 by simon6ppc