westmids1987 Posted October 29, 2013 Report Share Posted October 29, 2013 My idea and i know it would be very hard to implement would be a permit dog park system,wherby you have to have your dog temprament tested and if it passes you gain access to dog parks wherby your allowed to run your dog off lead,be very hard to implement but if dog fails lead only walks if not free to run?not perfect idea but not sure there is a perfect solution! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cranfield Posted October 29, 2013 Report Share Posted October 29, 2013 Flawed logic then IMO. I've also seen two dogs that were on leads tear chunks out of each other before the owners recovered enough to pull them apart. Sometimes dogs fight, it's like people, it's pretty much unavoidable without putting so many restrictions on them as to make ownership undesirable or untenable. Even muzzled dogs will still rough and tumble and potentially injure each other. Where would you stop? There's that many dog owners, I don't think any of the political parties would have the stomach for upsetting the majority of them with draconian legislation anyway. Not really flawed logic. Owners should be capable of controlling their dogs when on the lead. If they can't do that, then they certainly couldn't control them off leads. Why own a dog that you cannot control on, or off, a lead ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gordon R Posted October 29, 2013 Report Share Posted October 29, 2013 Cranfield - agreed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scotslad Posted October 30, 2013 Report Share Posted October 30, 2013 westmids not a bad idea really but like u say implementing it and enforcing it would be a nightmare. Cranfield has it spot on. Possibly compulsory training along with a licence? But bottom line some folk are just not doggy people. I know gundog owners who i have trained with for years that still struggle to grasp some of the very basics of dog training and then wonder why all there dogs end up the sam with same problems. So u have even less chance with the general public, never mind the scroat's Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nikk Posted October 30, 2013 Report Share Posted October 30, 2013 Flawed logic then IMO. I've also seen two dogs that were on leads tear chunks out of each other before the owners recovered enough to pull them apart. Sometimes dogs fight, it's like people, it's pretty much unavoidable without putting so many restrictions on them as to make ownership undesirable or untenable. Even muzzled dogs will still rough and tumble and potentially injure each other. Where would you stop? There's that many dog owners, I don't think any of the political parties would have the stomach for upsetting the majority of them with draconian legislation anyway. Thing is the owners can easily set up a fight or trigger it without even realising it in the first place. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bicykillgaz Posted October 30, 2013 Report Share Posted October 30, 2013 Not really flawed logic. Owners should be capable of controlling their dogs when on the lead. If they can't do that, then they certainly couldn't control them off leads. Why own a dog that you cannot control on, or off, a lead ? I totally agree, I see plenty if people who get walked by there dog. Since my dog was attacked he now greets dogs with a wagging tail but hackles up as it's made him anxious, I now keep him on as short a lead as possible when approaching dogs, let my bitch greet the dog first so he see there no threat then relax the lead, once he's had a sniff he's not interested and I can let him off and he'll ignore the dog. it's just the initial on lead greeting he is nervous about but I'd rather have a nervous dog on the lead than him be off it get snapped at and retaliate then have to split up a full blow fight. At least you've got one fog under relative control if another attacks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
overandunder2012 Posted October 30, 2013 Report Share Posted October 30, 2013 Cranfield - agreed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
-Mongrel- Posted October 30, 2013 Report Share Posted October 30, 2013 (edited) Not really flawed logic. Owners should be capable of controlling their dogs when on the lead. If they can't do that, then they certainly couldn't control them off leads. Why own a dog that you cannot control on, or off, a lead ? To be honest, I couldn't agree more and to go further I'd say owners should be capable of controlling their dogs off the lead. Unfortunately, in the real world neither is the case in many circumstances. That is the fault of the owner not the dog. Thing is the owners can easily set up a fight or trigger it without even realising it in the first place. Again, agreed. The classic one of picking up the little dog when a big dog comes over to say hello, then spazzing out when the big dog still wants to sniff small dog and lifts its nose to do so, small dog is restricted and vulnerable and so kicks off and it all goes Pete Tong with the owner rapidly! Generally the owner of the little one blames the other for the big dog being out of control when all it's done is sniff at another dog. I totally agree, I see plenty if people who get walked by there dog. Since my dog was attacked he now greets dogs with a wagging tail but hackles up as it's made him anxious, I now keep him on as short a lead as possible when approaching dogs, let my bitch greet the dog first so he see there no threat then relax the lead, once he's had a sniff he's not interested and I can let him off and he'll ignore the dog. it's just the initial on lead greeting he is nervous about but I'd rather have a nervous dog on the lead than him be off it get snapped at and retaliate then have to split up a full blow fight. At least you've got one fog under relative control if another attacks. Problem with the owner again, dog's not trained, simple as that. I see your point about at least one dog is under some control, but are you sure the tight lead and holding him back doesn't make him more anxious? Anyway, ALL of the above points are owner issues more than dog issues, so tell me again, why do I muzzle my dogs if it's because there are bad owners out there? Edited October 30, 2013 by -Mongrel- Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bicykillgaz Posted October 30, 2013 Report Share Posted October 30, 2013 Mongrel- "I see your point about at least one dog is under some control, but are you sure the tight lead and holding him back doesn't make him more anxious?" Quite probably mate, but he's more anxious with boisterous or larger dogs so I use my bitch as the meet and greeter as she's not anxious at all, it gives me a chance to figure out their dog before letting my male greet them. It's worked for me so far. I've no doubt he'd be far better greeting off the lead but then if the dogs did take a dislike to each other I'd be equally as at fault for any altercation as the other owner. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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