hodge911 Posted January 15, 2014 Report Share Posted January 15, 2014 hi all question for those amongst us who reload 12g ........... i have a batchg of eley once fired empties i collected on shoot at weekend gone to reload them there tonight and the new primers just fall out tried cci 209 shotshell primers winchester shotshell primers and another that i cant remember the make of at the min. the empties are 67mm long eley impax wich were new when fired on saturday i,m using a lee loadall2 any ideas whats wrong or do eley use a different size primer ?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sitsinhedges Posted January 15, 2014 Report Share Posted January 15, 2014 I've found some Eley primer pockets to be oversized probably due the the original primers being large. If you have to use them you can give the primers a tiny dab of superglue before inserting but your better to either buy larger primers or go to a clay ground and get some more suitable empties for free. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hodge911 Posted January 15, 2014 Author Report Share Posted January 15, 2014 I've found some Eley primer pockets to be oversized probably due the the original primers being large. If you have to use them you can give the primers a tiny dab of superglue before inserting but your better to either buy larger primers or go to a clay ground and get some more suitable empties for free. thanks for reply i wasnt aware you could get larger primers i thought shotshell primers were all the same size where would i get the oversized from?? . like you say tho probs easier to get some different empties Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FatFreddysCat Posted January 15, 2014 Report Share Posted January 15, 2014 You need G-1000 oversize primers available from Clay and Game. See page 15 of their online price list. http://claygame.co.uk/uploads/files/CAT26_Full_Sept.pdf Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gunners Posted January 15, 2014 Report Share Posted January 15, 2014 Try and find cheddite cases like R C cartridges. You also might find that game bore are ok. If not use maxam primers which are slightly larger and they work with the likes of Rio's Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Geordie Posted January 15, 2014 Report Share Posted January 15, 2014 Hodge! I find there are size differences between Fio and Cheddite primers! Not reloaded with eley before I tend to load fio, winchester and gamebore. I will see what I have in the bag of tricks. If I have a eley in I will see if any of my primers fit! BTW how are you getting on with the 67mm carts? I though the lee was for 70mm? Are you using a spacer? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Underdog Posted January 16, 2014 Report Share Posted January 16, 2014 Base wads aint what they used to be! I made a tool. A rod the diameter of the flat part of the base wad in the case. Place empty on a steel block and tap the rod with hammer. Decaped case of course! This closes the hole a little. U. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hodge911 Posted January 16, 2014 Author Report Share Posted January 16, 2014 Hodge! I find there are size differences between Fio and Cheddite primers! Not reloaded with eley before I tend to load fio, winchester and gamebore. I will see what I have in the bag of tricks. If I have a eley in I will see if any of my primers fit! BTW how are you getting on with the 67mm carts? I though the lee was for 70mm? Are you using a spacer? LG 67mm cases are fine it wont do 65mm cases mines a loadall 2 I got some plastic wads from peter lawman that work spot with no need for a spacer Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Geordie Posted January 16, 2014 Report Share Posted January 16, 2014 Hi Hodge! The 67mm is the total length of the cart! Wads wouldn't make it any longer Thats why I was asking if you were using a spacer to raise the cart in the press? I also have a Lee Loadall II somewhere! I may see if I can get a 67 to crimp in mine. As I say I will try and find an eley and see if any of my primers are OK as I have 3 types here! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deershooter Posted January 16, 2014 Report Share Posted January 16, 2014 Eley cases use UEE primers as do Rieo which are larger than the normal CX2000 the clay game disc has a page on primer size and power I buy UEE 684,685'686 from siarm which are the equivalent of CX50,CX1000,CX2000 these can be loaded in to any case with no problem Deershooter Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tigger got stichs Posted January 17, 2014 Report Share Posted January 17, 2014 maxim also make over size primers to if I remember right Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deershooter Posted January 17, 2014 Report Share Posted January 17, 2014 UEE are Maxim Deershooter Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Geordie Posted January 18, 2014 Report Share Posted January 18, 2014 (edited) Hodge! I got round to checking my cupboard and found a few eley once fired hulls. I then de primed them, and tried a Cheddite CX2000 primer. It FELL in to the primer pocket and took very little to fall back out :o I then tried a Fio 616 primer and it was a nice tight fit. As for the 67mm carts in the load all II, I don't know how you.get away with it I have tried fiochi pigeon 67mm carts and eley realtree 67mm carts and can not get them to fully crimp :no: Edited January 18, 2014 by Lord Geordie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deershooter Posted January 18, 2014 Report Share Posted January 18, 2014 3mm packer under final crimp stage sorts this out Deershooter Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Geordie Posted January 18, 2014 Report Share Posted January 18, 2014 3mm packer under final crimp stage sorts this out Deershooter So one has to remove the guide, that is screwed to the base for the final crimp station and then add a 3mm spacer? I was under the impression Hodge was able to crimp the 67mm hulls straight from the box so to speak? I had seen the custom spacers you can buy to convert to 65mm for the old English SxS game guns! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
clakk Posted January 18, 2014 Report Share Posted January 18, 2014 (edited) for the loose primer issue u could just cheat,an american cousin on shotgun world advises knicking the missus nail varnish.just a blob around the hole drop the primer in by the time youve done a box full 25 or so the first ones will have set .he also reseals the crimp on homeloads for wildfowling to protect from water ingress atb clakk Edited January 18, 2014 by clakk Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hodge911 Posted January 22, 2014 Author Report Share Posted January 22, 2014 (edited) Hodge! I got round to checking my cupboard and found a few eley once fired hulls. I then de primed them, and tried a Cheddite CX2000 primer. It FELL in to the primer pocket and took very little to fall back out :o I then tried a Fio 616 primer and it was a nice tight fit. As for the 67mm carts in the load all II, I don't know how you.get away with it I have tried fiochi pigeon 67mm carts and eley realtree 67mm carts and can not get them to fully crimp :no: LG I,ve just done this now ..........just put a drop of superglue on the primer..... Edited January 22, 2014 by hodge911 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Geordie Posted January 23, 2014 Report Share Posted January 23, 2014 (edited) Ah! I see your crimp is not actually finished :no: You SHOULD have a crimp like this your crimp is only just closed there, but should be more compressed! You can get away with using a washer or a euro cent to give it a bit more of a crimp, by popping the cent on top of the cart and crimping again. Edited January 23, 2014 by Lord Geordie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest cookoff013 Posted January 23, 2014 Report Share Posted January 23, 2014 i use a long threadded mec punch. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
super sharp shooter Posted January 23, 2014 Report Share Posted January 23, 2014 i use a long threadded mec punch.Where did you buy the extended one from Cook Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest cookoff013 Posted January 23, 2014 Report Share Posted January 23, 2014 i had an accociate ship it over. but you can get them from.... http://www.gamaliel.com/mecparts/mec_cam_crimp_punch.asp SKU: M721B12LT LT= long thread, about an extra 3-4mm. just ask huffhuffhuffman as i sent him one. all of my loaders are converted. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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