islandgun Posted January 24, 2014 Report Share Posted January 24, 2014 There is a lot off things that happen abroad or even in this country that i don't agree with or understand but i just don't let it bother me as either none of my business or nowt i can do about it. Bottom line is if u shoot live animals esp with a shotgun (but also with a rifle) it is very hard to lecture anyone about humane dispatch, yes we try to minimise it but unfortunately just 1 of those things It's not something i would want to do or see but as i've said as long s population can stand it don't see it as being a big problem. Wot is more inhumane hitting a beeched whale (yes they have been beached on purpose) over head and severing it's spine resulting in a fairly quick death and using almost all of the whale as food, oil etc OR having umpteen folk disturb/stress it by pouring buckets of water over it for days on end until it eventually dies a slow and agonising death, even the few they eventually get to sea usually return on next tide. Probably natures way of providing a banquet out of a large dying animal I wonder if whales don't beach because their dying, as a mammal they may choose not to drown, mind you that doesn't explain the other followers, perhaps its a wake! regarding humane death I think this is one the best points about PW members and shooters generally most will go to great expense to deliver a killing shot or to be as effective as possible, i.e. buying new guns, reloading, target shooting, clay shooting etc, I don't think people like to wound Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scotslad Posted January 24, 2014 Report Share Posted January 24, 2014 We don't, but ur putting ur head in the sand if u don't think it happens even with a rifle, althou atleast ur shot to kill ratio is far better. Dunno but if the older 1 is the matriac?/leader possibly there just following as don't know any better? Mind seeing a documentry, pretty sure it was killer whales? who were taking seals of the beach using bigger waves but if got it wrong were beached, amazing how nature works Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Malik Posted January 24, 2014 Report Share Posted January 24, 2014 No worse than halal slaughter and we let that carry on over here. "In 2012 the Food Standards Agency (FSA) published an Animal Welfare Survey undertaken in abattoirs across Great Britain in a one week period in September 2011. The survey provided numbers of animals slaughtered/killed by the Shechita and Halal methods and indicated that a low percentage of animals killed by all methods during this time were not stunned before slaughter; with 3% of cattle, 10% of sheep and goats, and 4% of poultry slaughtered in Great Britain not receiving a pre-slaughter stun1. The survey showed that around 88% of animals slaughtered by the Halal method were stunned before slaughter. Although at the moment no animals slaughtered by the Shechita method in Great Britain are stunned before slaughter, the FSA survey did indicate that 10% of cattle and calves slaughtered by the Shechita method in Great Britain received a post- cut stun1." With the above in mind, whats so bad about halal... Its exactly the same process except someone acknowledges the fact that the animal about to be slaughtered is one of gods creatures. 88% are stunned and that was of 2011, its most likely risen. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
-Mongrel- Posted January 24, 2014 Author Report Share Posted January 24, 2014 ...regarding humane death I think this is one the best points about PW members and shooters generally. Most will go to great expense to deliver a killing shot or to be as effective as possible, i.e. buying new guns, reloading, target shooting, clay shooting etc, I don't think people like to wound I'm sure the Faroe islanders believe theirs to be the best way of killing the whales. I'm not quite sure how you go about killing whales to be honest. I understand there is a newer method of achieving the same thing a bit quicker, but assume cost to be an issue there, it still severs the spine and blood supply. We don't, but ur putting ur head in the sand if u don't think it happens even with a rifle... This is kinda the thrust of my thinking, try as hard as most do, we all (but especially shotgunners) get runners. We accept it as part and parcel, I use a dog to minimise any potential suffering, but plenty will still consider that to be not good enough and inhumane. Is what many are condemning the Faroese of, really that much different? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sako751sg Posted January 24, 2014 Report Share Posted January 24, 2014 Meh,dolphins. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scotslad Posted January 24, 2014 Report Share Posted January 24, 2014 Exactly my way of thinking mongrel, i would imagine very few whales will swim away only tailed/finned, if any get away they will only be a bit stressed but unhurt, Do u by any chance work in a haal sluaghter house malik? Almost the exact same post u put on first page. The local sluaghter house was bought over and done some haal work quite a few of my mates and there fathers worked in it afore they shut it down, also used to work alongside a maff vet on the F&M and he done a lot of sluaghter house inspections, some of the stories are not good. Will take an awful lot more than a quote to convince me that it is not barbaric. But i am being a hypocrite as atleast no animals escape injured, but the difference is ur working with wild animals compared to domestic stock so u don't need to be shooting at a distance. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nikk Posted January 24, 2014 Report Share Posted January 24, 2014 Meh,dolphins. ugly little blighters Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sako751sg Posted January 24, 2014 Report Share Posted January 24, 2014 ugly little blighters Yeh,always trying to impersonate tuna,cretins. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gordon R Posted January 24, 2014 Report Share Posted January 24, 2014 I do like the way halal statistics show that most are stunned first. What happens to the rest of those who are killed? I suppose they are content to be in the minority. One of the more simplistic views on here. I am no fan of what goes on in the Faroes, but some seem happy to abolish long standing traditions from within the country, but sanction those which are imported. Bizarre. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
castletyne Posted January 24, 2014 Report Share Posted January 24, 2014 "In 2012 the Food Standards Agency (FSA) published an Animal Welfare Survey undertaken in abattoirs across Great Britain in a one week period in September 2011. The survey provided numbers of animals slaughtered/killed by the Shechita and Halal methods and indicated that a low percentage of animals killed by all methods during this time were not stunned before slaughter; with 3% of cattle, 10% of sheep and goats, and 4% of poultry slaughtered in Great Britain not receiving a pre-slaughter stun1. The survey showed that around 88% of animals slaughtered by the Halal method were stunned before slaughter. Although at the moment no animals slaughtered by the Shechita method in Great Britain are stunned before slaughter, the FSA survey did indicate that 10% of cattle and calves slaughtered by the Shechita method in Great Britain received a post- cut stun1." With the above in mind, whats so bad about halal... Its exactly the same process except someone acknowledges the fact that the animal about to be slaughtered is one of gods creatures. 88% are stunned and that was of 2011, its most likely risen. Doesn't that still mean 12% are not humanely killed in the UK The percentage is far higher in other countries Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Catweazle Posted January 24, 2014 Report Share Posted January 24, 2014 I think Mongrel is right to air this subject, we should take a look at ourselves sometimes before we judge others. Should we really celebrate a shoot with "high birds" ? Even though we know they are more difficult to kill cleanly ? Should we applaud the long range rabbit shooting videos ? Even when we know full well that there will be injured rabbits too far away for a quick manual dispatch ? Are either of the above any more humane than a 100% kill of a beached whale by cutting the spine ? What about the deer shooters who routinely wait 15 minutes before following the blood trail in order to give the deer time to lie down and die ? All this stuff is worth discussing, especially if it improves our own methods. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scotslad Posted January 24, 2014 Report Share Posted January 24, 2014 But waiting 20 mins is the best practice advice, if u move in sooner the chances are deer will also move on possibly off ur ground or into thicker cover where u might not find it. There are reasons why sometimes. But others like u say high birds we can improve just by knowing ur limitations, when awful lot off people who shoot at 'high birds' are simply not up to it, same with long range or head neck shooting in certain circumstances. Or haal slaughter really absolutely no need as the animal is confined All about knowing ur limitations and doing wot u think is best and right most of the time Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Catweazle Posted January 25, 2014 Report Share Posted January 25, 2014 But waiting 20 mins is the best practice advice, if u move in sooner the chances are deer will also move on possibly off ur ground or into thicker cover where u might not find it. There are reasons why sometimes. I realise it's best practice, and would do it myself, but it does mean than a wounded animal can wait a while before before the stalker can dispatch it. I'm not having a pop at deer stalkers at all, just saying that we need to look at ourselves before complaining about the guys in the Faroes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
poontang Posted January 25, 2014 Report Share Posted January 25, 2014 http://www.snopes.com/photos/hunting/dolphinhunt.asp Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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