Brad93 Posted February 3, 2014 Report Share Posted February 3, 2014 Hi guys. Picked up a new piece of permission two weeks ago and the landowner is keen for me to get out and knock the rabbit numbers back before they start multiplying! I submitted the permission letter, google earth map, OS map and co-ordinates on the 25th. What would a reasonable time frame be? Should I ask for my certificate to be opened? Would the delay be a good reason? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Good shot? Posted February 3, 2014 Report Share Posted February 3, 2014 Give FEO a ring and ask for a time frame for your land check, go out with air rifle and shotgun meanwhile to show landowner your willing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brad93 Posted February 3, 2014 Author Report Share Posted February 3, 2014 Went out with the shotgun Saturday, some local people who have horses on a couple of fields 400 odd yards away soon put an end to that. Not sure the air rifle with have the range. Will go out with it tonight none the less. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Good shot? Posted February 3, 2014 Report Share Posted February 3, 2014 (edited) If you only get one it shows you are making a start, I would sit out at best ambush spot and aim to get one or two to show landowner. Good luck. Edited February 3, 2014 by Good shot? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robbiep Posted February 3, 2014 Report Share Posted February 3, 2014 Went out with the shotgun Saturday, some local people who have horses on a couple of fields 400 odd yards away soon put an end to that. Not sure the air rifle with have the range. Will go out with it tonight none the less. I would have a chat with the landowner on the land you are shooting on, before I took much notice of what people 1/4 of a mile away are complaining about. It's the permission giver's viewpoint that matters. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sonicdmb Posted February 3, 2014 Report Share Posted February 3, 2014 Might be worthwhile if approached by the horse owners again to point out that rabbit control is in their interests as well rabbit holes cause many injuries to horses some leading to the horse being put down. I shoot next to a horse breeders farm and when needed on it Her horses soon got used to me being about. As above its the landowners wishes that matter. See what he thinks he may well say **** em most do. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brad93 Posted February 3, 2014 Author Report Share Posted February 3, 2014 Thing is I have horses myself, mine obviously don't particularly like it but as long as they can see me and associate where the noise is coming from the don't mind. These people are town types that rent a piece of land and a stable and then think they own the countryside. The type that leave gates open, trespass on private land and have no regards for any other countryside activities. They probably don't support fox hunting or shooting. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sonicdmb Posted February 3, 2014 Report Share Posted February 3, 2014 I don't have much sympathy for them if they behave like that just crack on and ignore them. The horses will get used to it barring hot air balloons which our old pony hated shooting seems to become back ground noise to them soon enough. How do the race horse stables go on in arable country with gas guns going off and they must be some of the most highly stung horses you'll find. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robbiep Posted February 3, 2014 Report Share Posted February 3, 2014 We have 2 horses on our fields, and they are entirely used to shooting. I can fire a 12 bore 50 yards from them with no issues at all. Half the time they're a pain in the butt, coming over to see what I'm up to ! I do know a few horse owners who actually like people to shoot relatively close by, as it makes the horses less skittish. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kent Posted February 3, 2014 Report Share Posted February 3, 2014 Make sure the landowner knows the score and get out there with the airgun or take only a trusted person with an open (who wont nip in behind your back) with the landowners full consent. Personally I am against open conditions until the FAC holder has a fair amount of experience ( I don't know if you qualify under that?) My thoughts are it puts to great an onus on them and some are very keen to secure any shooting (though some FEOs haven't got a clue either these days and do everything off a tick box). If you feel you do have credible and relevant experience just ask Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dekers Posted February 3, 2014 Report Share Posted February 3, 2014 Hi guys. Picked up a new piece of permission two weeks ago and the landowner is keen for me to get out and knock the rabbit numbers back before they start multiplying! I submitted the permission letter, google earth map, OS map and co-ordinates on the 25th. What would a reasonable time frame be? Should I ask for my certificate to be opened? Would the delay be a good reason? Do you mean 25 Jan? What is the normal in your region or is the first you have applied for? No delay or incompetency on the part of your Region will be good reason to Open your FAC, if that was the case everyone would have one! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brad93 Posted February 3, 2014 Author Report Share Posted February 3, 2014 Yeah 25th January, this is the first time since ive had my certificate that ive needed to get land cleared. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stubby Posted February 3, 2014 Report Share Posted February 3, 2014 I got my fac as open on first application by doing just that, kept phoning saying the landowner and others were going to look elsewhere as it was taking so long although Im a full time pest controller, that may have made the difference Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kent Posted February 3, 2014 Report Share Posted February 3, 2014 I got my fac as open on first application by doing just that, kept phoning saying the landowner and others were going to look elsewhere as it was taking so long although Im a full time pest controller, that may have made the difference On the basis that you could have easily won if you sued for loss of work / income, then yes just a bit Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brad93 Posted February 3, 2014 Author Report Share Posted February 3, 2014 (edited) I will call on Thursday and push them a bit more. Can't be hard to clear 20 acres of land Edited February 3, 2014 by Brad93 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Livefast123 Posted February 3, 2014 Report Share Posted February 3, 2014 My uncle breeds horses on his farm and there are loads about. They are a pain in the bum when shooting shotgun or rifle as they come over to see what is going on rather then being scared witless. I'd tell the town dwellers to take s running jump, obviously with the landowners approval. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kent Posted February 3, 2014 Report Share Posted February 3, 2014 I will call on Thursday and push them a bit more. Can't be hard to clear 20 acres of land 20 acres, use an airgun it wont take long to clear Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brad93 Posted February 3, 2014 Author Report Share Posted February 3, 2014 (edited) They won't let you get within air rifle range kent. Get within 60 yards and they're running for the hedgerow. If I can sit a 70-80 yards I can just take em as they come out onto the field. It's all hay fields so it's short grass this time of yeAr Edited February 3, 2014 by Brad93 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
silverhawk Posted February 4, 2014 Report Share Posted February 4, 2014 Mine took permission took 3weeks to get cleared.I did bug them a lot though.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kent Posted February 4, 2014 Report Share Posted February 4, 2014 They won't let you get within air rifle range kent. Get within 60 yards and they're running for the hedgerow. If I can sit a 70-80 yards I can just take em as they come out onto the field. It's all hay fields so it's short grass this time of year Lamp it then on a dark and windy night, preferably when the wind allows you to walk the hedge so any disturbance they come back home towards you done well it will impress the owner and keep him sweet, guys loose permission all the time from not being able to act Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brad93 Posted February 4, 2014 Author Report Share Posted February 4, 2014 Lamp it then on a dark and windy night, preferably when the wind allows you to walk the hedge so any disturbance they come back home towards you done well it will impress the owner and keep him sweet, guys loose permission all the time from not being able to act Went over last night, managed one with the air rifle which is playing up. May go again tonight when I've sorted it out Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shaun4860 Posted February 4, 2014 Report Share Posted February 4, 2014 Why dont you ask the farmer if he has a Firearms cert. and for what calibre The land may have already been passed for rimfire Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brad93 Posted February 4, 2014 Author Report Share Posted February 4, 2014 (edited) Had this conversation before, clearing land not only relates to the firearms being used but also the certificate holder using them i was told. That land must be noted on your file that the police hold as being cleared and you having permission to shoot there Edited February 4, 2014 by Brad93 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brad93 Posted February 4, 2014 Author Report Share Posted February 4, 2014 (edited) found the legislation, i guess it could be taken both ways. Maybe one for BASC? a) Territorial Conditions on use 10.41 A territorial condition restricts the areas where a firearm may be used by a person who holds a firearm for sporting purposes or for the shooting of problem wildlife It is important that there should be standardisation of practice amongst forces and for this purpose it is recommended that new certificate holders should be limited to land considered suitable by the chief officer. When a chief officer is satisfied that a certificate holder has gained sufficient experience with a particular calibre or class of firearm the less restrictive condition may be considered appropriate (see Appendix 3). In all circumstances the “any lawful quarry condition” should be applied (see appendix 3). Edited February 4, 2014 by Brad93 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jasons gold Posted February 4, 2014 Report Share Posted February 4, 2014 (edited) Absolute rubbish, if the Land is cleared its cleared there is no need to have it listed on your file as you only need 1 for good reason, which you have got for original firearms grant. Just phone them with the address and ask if the Land is cleared they will tell you over the phone by looking on there computer If you want to ask me any questions pm me and I will give you my phone number. Edited February 4, 2014 by jasons gold Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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