nderfel Posted February 13, 2014 Report Share Posted February 13, 2014 I have spoken to the licensing officer here in Dorset and the reason my fac application is held up is that the permission I have is in Somerset and needs to be certified by Avon and Somerset. They don't seem to be in a hurry or that bothered to do it so it's all ground to a halt. Annoying......! Just to clarify something, a closed certificate means I can shoot on approved land with the landowners permission anywhere doesn't it? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grimey121uk Posted February 13, 2014 Report Share Posted February 13, 2014 A closed certificate means that you can shoot only on land which has been approved by the police were as an open certificate allows you to shoot on land you deem suitible. These both require the relevant land owners permission. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nderfel Posted February 13, 2014 Author Report Share Posted February 13, 2014 thank you sir, thats what i thought Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TIDES EDGE Posted February 13, 2014 Report Share Posted February 13, 2014 I think you will find that a closed certificate only allows you to shoot on land that is listed on your fac. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stokie Posted February 13, 2014 Report Share Posted February 13, 2014 I think you will find that a closed certificate only allows you to shoot on land that is listed on your fac. That's incorrect . It allows you to shoot on land that has previously been cleared by firearms department irrespective of what county it's in . If it's cleared then anyone with closed ticket and permission to shoot can shoot it . Land is not added to your conditions Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CharlieT Posted February 13, 2014 Report Share Posted February 13, 2014 Land is not added to your conditions Oh yes it can. Not common now, but was widely used a few years ago. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TIDES EDGE Posted February 13, 2014 Report Share Posted February 13, 2014 Oh yes it can. Not common now, but was widely used a few years ago. Ahh thats where I was coming from its been a few years since I got my ticket 30+ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CharlieT Posted February 13, 2014 Report Share Posted February 13, 2014 Ahh thats where I was coming from its been a few years since I got my ticket 30+ Indeed. My very first "ticket" named our farm. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Therealchucknorris Posted February 13, 2014 Report Share Posted February 13, 2014 A closed certificate means that you can shoot only on land which has been approved by the police were as an open certificate allows you to shoot on land you deem suitible. These both require the relevant land owners permission. Am I right in thinking though that you still need to confirm this with your FEO pre-shooting? I know of some land in Devon that has been cleared but my FEO advised me that I'd still have to drop them a line a week or so before I plan to visit and they'll add this to my file. I'm of the opinion that you couldn't just rock up and start shooting (even with the owner's permission) but happy to stand corrected if that's wrong. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nderfel Posted February 13, 2014 Author Report Share Posted February 13, 2014 I might email BASC and ask them their opinion as its a bit confusing, as you can tell. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
colin lad Posted February 13, 2014 Report Share Posted February 13, 2014 (edited) I might email BASC and ask them their opinion as its a bit confusing, as you can tell. if the land you are going to shoot has been cleared for the caliber rifle you are using and you have permission to shoot then that is fine you are good to go if you are unsure if the land is cleared and the farmer don't know then give your feo a bell they have all cleared land on their records so can check while your on the phone to them i have done it a few times and they have always been happy to tell me colin edit to say.. i just noticed the said land is in a different county to you so give the feo in the appropriate county a ring Edited February 13, 2014 by colin lad Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
team tractor Posted February 13, 2014 Report Share Posted February 13, 2014 I have to notify every time I get a new shoot to Staffordshire even if it's passed . Does my sweed in Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
r1steele Posted February 13, 2014 Report Share Posted February 13, 2014 Am I right in thinking though that you still need to confirm this with your FEO pre-shooting? I know of some land in Devon that has been cleared but my FEO advised me that I'd still have to drop them a line a week or so before I plan to visit and they'll add this to my file. I'm of the opinion that you couldn't just rock up and start shooting (even with the owner's permission) but happy to stand corrected if that's wrong. Your conditions should say something like 'deemed suitable by the chief constable' so as long as it is deemed suitable (passed) and your conditions doesn't ask you to inform an FEO you're good to go. The FEO advising this is just him trying to make himself feel important and incharge, they cannot enforce their own rules that are not on your conditions. You have permission on land deemed suitable so you have met the conditions on your FAC. Obviously uncleared land needs approval from the relevant police force Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nderfel Posted February 13, 2014 Author Report Share Posted February 13, 2014 Thanks all. Really useful info Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Therealchucknorris Posted February 13, 2014 Report Share Posted February 13, 2014 Your conditions should say something like 'deemed suitable by the chief constable' so as long as it is deemed suitable (passed) and your conditions doesn't ask you to inform an FEO you're good to go. The FEO advising this is just him trying to make himself feel important and incharge, they cannot enforce their own rules that are not on your conditions. You have permission on land deemed suitable so you have met the conditions on your FAC. Obviously uncleared land needs approval from the relevant police force Lovely stuff thanks for that. Yeah 'Chief Officer of Police for the area where the land is situated...' is what appears against my calibres so as long as I've checked that the relevant calibre I'll be taking with me has been cleared then I should be golden. I guess it's still worth them noting my request as this will all help towards an open ticket at renewal time (or earlier if I push hard and can justify it). Cheers again Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
r1steele Posted February 13, 2014 Report Share Posted February 13, 2014 Lovely stuff thanks for that. Yeah 'Chief Officer of Police for the area where the land is situated...' is what appears against my calibres so as long as I've checked that the relevant calibre I'll be taking with me has been cleared then I should be golden. I guess it's still worth them noting my request as this will all help towards an open ticket at renewal time (or earlier if I push hard and can justify it). Cheers again It could be worth ringing your FEO and telling him you are getting more and more permissions and would like to have your FAC opened as it makes sense as you are going from county to county. A lot of this depends on your experience but if you can show it you should be able to get it opened. The worst they can say is no. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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