V Mach or welsh Willy tuneing kit

[Andysniper]

Hi,

Looking to make my hw 95k smoother and perform better witch is the better kit

Has anyone experienced both kits

And are they worth the money

 

Thanks guys

[NIGHT SEARCHER]

Sandwell Field Sports stage 1 tune £65.

You get a new SFS spring and top hat and piston seal.

All internals highly polished and piston.

It comes back to you doing 11.5 ftlb super smooth a lot less re-coil so very Accurate.

Have a look on YOU TUBE Si Pittaways vids. Sandwell Feild Sports Vids.

I sent them my HW 97 KT. It was very good out of the box.

But after it came back from Sandwell It`s outstanding, 5 pence groups at 40 yds.

[r1steele]

Welsh Willy is spot on. I wouldn't use any one else.

[simjakcal]

Just had my new hw97kt striped and tuned by WW with one of his kits fitted...it made a big differance to the gun...

[evo]

Sandwell Field Sports stage 1 tune £65.

You get a new SFS spring and top hat and piston seal.

All internals highly polished and piston.

It comes back to you doing 11.5 ftlb super smooth a lot less re-coil so very Accurate.

Have a look on YOU TUBE Si Pittaways vids. Sandwell Feild Sports Vids.

I sent them my HW 97 KT. It was very good out of the box.

But after it came back from Sandwell It`s outstanding, 5 pence groups at 40 yds.

with a springer come on,,do I detect a little porkie pie

 

atb Evo

[turbo33]

I recently bought a new HW95k. I was expecting the usual shotgun groups with it at anything over 25 yds. However, I am genuinely shocked at how good it shoots. Inspired at how well it shot, I took it apart, cleaned all the grease out of the piston chamber and off the rest of it. Bought a top hat from chambers for a few quid, removed a coil and dropped the power down to just under 11 ft/lbs which I think Tony Wall recommends. Debured the cocking slot, which removes that harshness on cocking. A light lube up again, keeping the piston cylinder clear of grease.

The rifle was very good and is now outstanding. I wouldn't take anything away from Tony at Sandwell, as the chap is clearly a genius with air rifles and really knows his stuff. For the money he charges for the stage one tune, I think its stonking value, and if I didn't enjoy tinkering, I wouldn't hesitate to send mine off to him.

Oh, Evo.........looks like there could be another video war

I can't claim to do 5p groups at 40 yds, but when I get the time, I'll do a grouping video with this HW95k. I'm no springer man, but its shockingly good and certainly opened my eyes to the capabilities of springers now.

Edited February 21, 2014 by turbo33

[kent]

with a springer come on,,do I detect a little porkie pie

 

atb Evo

 

Why? My Steve Pope Modified HW80 only varies 4-5 fps and is very sweet shooting with little recoil and a fast lock time. I haven't put it on paper in years but it did upset a few people with high end FT rigs at Tawd Vale about a decade ago and its .22

[washerboy]

Steve did my hw95.. Brilliant.

Had a 77 done at Sandwell but the spring broke after two weeks and there phone customer service wasn't very good.

This I admit 6 yrs or so a go

[Fabhui]

Welsh Willy all the way!

[evo]

 

Why? My Steve Pope Modified HW80 only varies 4-5 fps and is very sweet shooting with little recoil and a fast lock time. I haven't put it on paper in years but it did upset a few people with high end FT rigs at Tawd Vale about a decade ago and its .22

well done Kent on the FT coarse, but lets be honest there is a very big difference between a 5p piece sized target and an FT sized target,,i do not doubt YOU did what you said but Nightsearcher , 5p groups at 40yrds, come on , even Mr springer,,,,sorry MR pittaway would not even admit to that and he is GOD(in his own head)

 

I can see another 5p group test at 40yrds coming up

 

atb Evo

 

ps would like to be proved wrong though, 14 pellets in a 5p target at 40yrds with a .22 springer or .177 for that matter

[Andysniper]

I have looked at this on you tube and mr pitaway has done the group at 40 yards with his sfs tuned sfs hw97kt

Also one to look at it the Sandwell field sports IMP rifle a hw99 modified and tuned by them looks and absolute beauty and very accurate

 

well done Kent on the FT coarse, but lets be honest there is a very big difference between a 5p piece sized target and an FT sized target,,i do not doubt YOU did what you said but Nightsearcher , 5p groups at 40yrds, come on , even Mr springer,,,,sorry MR pittaway would not even admit to that and he is GOD(in his own head)

 

I can see another 5p group test at 40yrds coming up

 

atb Evo

 

ps would like to be proved wrong though, 14 pellets in a 5p target at 40yrds with a .22 springer or .177 for that matter

[NIGHT SEARCHER]

with a springer come on,,do I detect a little porkie pie

 

atb Evo

 

Try doing some research before you make Derogatgive remarks .

Or better sill buy an HW 97 KT have it tuned then you can see just how good it is.

Then you might know what you are talking about instead of dribbling B/S.

What is this **** about 14 shot groups. 5&6 shot groups are fine for 99.9% of proper shooters.

Si Pittaway shoots Milk Bottle tops and Coke Bottle tops at 60 yds with his HW97 tuned by SFS.

I have been doing vermin control for 40 years. 12 years in the Military.

A number of years shooting in HFT. I have 7 Seven PCPs and 5 springers.

I do not tell lies i just state the facts. I use a Daystate Huntsman FTR for HFT PCP.

And i use the tuned HW 97 KT Walnut stocked in HFT springer section.

Has i said the gun is outstandingly Accurate with very low recoil.

 

Edited February 22, 2014 by NIGHT SEARCHER

[krugerandsmith]

Sandwell Field Sports stage 1 tune £65.

You get a new SFS spring and top hat and piston seal.

All internals highly polished and piston.

It comes back to you doing 11.5 ftlb super smooth a lot less re-coil so very Accurate.

Have a look on YOU TUBE Si Pittaways vids. Sandwell Feild Sports Vids.

I sent them my HW 97 KT. It was very good out of the box.

But after it came back from Sandwell It`s outstanding, 5 pence groups at 40 yds.

 

Rang Sandwell yesterday .... Would like my HW97kt stage 2 tuned ...... Told it takes 10 weeks and costs £145.

[NIGHT SEARCHER]

 

Rang Sandwell yesterday .... Would like my HW97kt stage 2 tuned ...... Told it takes 10 weeks and costs £145.

 

There`s a lot more to a stage two tune including the trigger. Stage 1 for £65 is excellent.

[fenboy]

with a springer come on,,do I detect a little porkie pie

 

atb Evo

A good while ago I posted a picture of a target shot at 35 yards iirc with my SFS tuned HW97 kt a ten shot group that was easily covered by a 5 pence piece.

A rifle does not have to be PCP to be accurate but the owner of a springer does have to be more skilled

[Big Mat]

with a springer come on,,do I detect a little porkie pie

 

atb Evo

 

It is do able, when i actually used to use an air rifle alot i could do some very good groups with a webley xocet, not quite 5p sized but no far off.

[kent]

well done Kent on the FT coarse, but lets be honest there is a very big difference between a 5p piece sized target and an FT sized target,,i do not doubt YOU did what you said but Nightsearcher , 5p groups at 40yrds, come on , even Mr springer,,,,sorry MR pittaway would not even admit to that and he is GOD(in his own head)

 

I can see another 5p group test at 40yrds coming up

 

atb Evo

 

ps would like to be proved wrong though, 14 pellets in a 5p target at 40yrds with a .22 springer or .177 for that matter

I am sorry but I feel you are very wrong in your assessment, my TX SR springer (used in competitive ft once over, successfully against PCP guns) would cut a calibre size interconnected hole up to the Bull as it warmed, literally an extra couple of feet per second per shot (then stay there). That was in .177 BTW , yes that gun also could do it (indoor range at Blackburn well rested for free recoil shooting off bags at 50 yards) I used to use the facility to check ammo and rifle / zero before a comp and so it wasn't just an odd fluke. Good springer's have as much if not greater accuracy potential than PCP (due to their low deviation) they are just harder to shoot well because of the movement on firing. I don't pretend you could do this with an off the peg BSA Lightning or shooting off hand in a wind etc. Yet with good sleeved type guns like these its well possible by design not just the odd fluke.

[simjakcal]

so whats the difference between a stage 1 and a stage 2 tune at SFS ?

[evo]

had to laugh,,, touched a few nerves there,,calm down you springer boys, :lol:

 

night searcher,, I still don't think you can put 6 pellets into a 5p sized target with any springer,,please prove me wrong, oh and I don't care how long you have shot,,

 

if and when you prove me wrong I will apologise for winding you up ( and you bit big time) but not until you prove you can put 6 pellets inside a 5p sized target set at 40yrds with a springer as you claim

 

cheers Evo

[HDAV]

so whats the difference between a stage 1 and a stage 2 tune at SFS ?

£80 and a few weeks......

[kent]

had to laugh,,, touched a few nerves there,,calm down you springer boys, :lol:

 

night searcher,, I still don't think you can put 6 pellets into a 5p sized target with any springer,,please prove me wrong, oh and I don't care how long you have shot,,

 

if and when you prove me wrong I will apologise for winding you up ( and you bit big time) but not until you prove you can put 6 pellets inside a 5p sized target set at 40yrds with a springer as you claim

 

cheers Evo

how much proof do you want, do you have to see it for yourself. There are various people telling you in quite a polite way that is more than possible. Groups are traditionally recorded on 5 shots BTW. To doubt them you are calling us all liars.

Tell us why do you think this cannot be done? It is a fact known by all real airgun enthusiasts that the PCP is easier to shoot not more accurate. Accuracy is produced by consistent speed and engineering standards, not the way the air is produced.

[fenboy]

Well , I cant find the old thread, but I still have the picture.

 

HW97kt .177 the rifle was rested .

 

[NIGHT SEARCHER]

had to laugh,,, touched a few nerves there,,calm down you springer boys, :lol:

 

night searcher,, I still don't think you can put 6 pellets into a 5p sized target with any springer,,please prove me wrong, oh and I don't care how long you have shot,,

 

if and when you prove me wrong I will apologise for winding you up ( and you bit big time) but not until you prove you can put 6 pellets inside a 5p sized target set at 40yrds with a springer as you claim

 

cheers Evo

 

You seem to think you are a Funny little man but you are not.

A few of your posts of late have done nothing but get peoples back up.

Do you get some sort of perverted pleasure from it.

What sort of man calls his dog his little son. Very Sad little man.

49 years old. Jesus it`s time you acted your age and not your shoe size.

I am not going to prove myself to a ****wit like you.

Just because you can`t shoot a springer you think nobody can.

The above posts say it all you have made a fool of youself and still are.

You can put an Apology where the sun don`t shine.

I used to think you were OK a decent sort of bloke from your posts.

But you have gone right down on the floor in my estimation.

I wouldn`t **** on you if you were on fire.

[simjakcal]

so whats the difference between a stage 1 and a stage 2 tune at SFS ?

 

 

£80 and a few weeks......

 

..... there carnt be much between the 2 apart from what youve stated !

 

just had my hw97 striped by WW..,all cleaned,de-burred,polished,new spring kit fitted,new piston seal,trigger unit all striped,polished..all lubed back up correctly and rebuilt for under £100...all that sounds like a stage 2 tune from what ive heard ! ?

[evo]

 

You seem to think you are a Funny little man but you are not.

A few of your posts of late have done nothing but get peoples back up.

Do you get some sort of perverted pleasure from it.

What sort of man calls his dog his little son. Very Sad little man.

49 years old. Jesus it`s time you acted your age and not your shoe size.

I am not going to prove myself to a ****wit like you.

Just because you can`t shoot a springer you think nobody can.

The above posts say it all you have made a fool of youself and still are.

You can put an Apology where the sun don`t shine.

I used to think you were OK a decent sort of bloke from your posts.

But you have gone right down on the floor in my estimation.

I wouldn`t **** on you if you were on fire.

personal slagging of people just shows what type of person you really are,,(do you do this with everyone who disagree,s with you ? )

 

why do you feel the need to insult me over a public forum ?

 

because I said I didn,t think it possible(you could) group 5p sized groups at 40yrds with a springer,( I,m not saying it cant be done mind)

 

childish schoolground antics do not wash in my book,

 

as for calling my9month old springer "my little son" well that what he is,

 

resorting to personal slander towards me only makes me laugh,,

 

name calling only makes me laugh,

 

and all because I didn,t think you could group YOUR springer 6 times in a 5p size target at 40 yrds, I even said I would apologise if I was wrong( not accepted by you)

 

WHO LOOKS A FOOL :lol:

 

 

tut tut tut

Edited February 23, 2014 by evo