bobby b Posted February 24, 2014 Report Share Posted February 24, 2014 I've just been getting a patternmaster code black goose for my SX3. I was wondering who else uses them and what they think of them? Thanks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grandalf Posted February 24, 2014 Report Share Posted February 24, 2014 They are brilliant.Wouldn't be without mine. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Konnie Posted February 25, 2014 Report Share Posted February 25, 2014 ok I see they do a duck and goose any one know what the difference is does it depend on shot size used etc because I thought they worked on a internal stud system ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobby b Posted February 25, 2014 Author Report Share Posted February 25, 2014 The duck one gives you a full pattern with a 2 3/4 and 3" shell and modified pattern with a 3 1/2". The goose one gives you a full pattern with all size shells. It's all down to where the wad is held inside the tube. Also the goose one sticks out 0f the end of the barrel 1 1/2" and the duck only 1". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paddymax123 Posted February 25, 2014 Report Share Posted February 25, 2014 hi really want one of these but do they only work with non toxic loads as they only seem to advertise as non toxic? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grandalf Posted February 25, 2014 Report Share Posted February 25, 2014 They are specifically designed for use with steel shot. No point in using them with lead. My Benelli BE has only 26" barrels. Using the Gold Duck makes it a super gun for all sizes of steel cartridges for fowling. Does what it says on the box. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paddymax123 Posted February 25, 2014 Report Share Posted February 25, 2014 is there anything like pattern master that you can use with lead Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
casts_by_fly Posted February 25, 2014 Report Share Posted February 25, 2014 paddymax, For what purpose? You can use a patternmaster for lead just fine. I shoot a black cloud medium range steel tube in my mossberg. With HP steel loads it throws a tight, perfect 40 yard pattern and it is good for at least 50 yards with the loads I have. When I run 42g lead 5's through it (only 2 3/4" load the gun will cycle), the pattern is fantastic for pigeons at that range. The benefits of aftermarket chokes aren't just tight patterns. For me the bigger benefit is more even patterns and fewer blown patterns and wayward shot. The black cloud with lead at 40 yards has very few pellets outside of a 4' circle, and very few outside of a 3' circle. It is a very even pattern. If you want a super tight lead only choke, then you need ot think about turkey chokes. They are designed for heavy (42-56g), size 4-6 lead loads and to keep the tightest pattern possible out to 60+ yards. The goal is to get a half dozen pellets or more in the head/neck of a turkey. The one I shot in my Baikal would hold more than 75% at 50 yards of 2 oz winchesters. I could more or less guarantee 5-10 pellets in the head at that range. thanks rick Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paddymax123 Posted February 25, 2014 Report Share Posted February 25, 2014 thanks cast by fly what would you use for mainly pigeon/ crow shooting with 30 to 32gram 6s / 5s, and do you normally use 42g 5s for pigeons as that must get a bit heavy on the shoulder after a long day Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
casts_by_fly Posted February 25, 2014 Report Share Posted February 25, 2014 Those are my walkaround cartridges when i carry my mossberg. It is only manufacturer rated for 3" or larger shells, however the 42's have enough punch to eject. No more recoil than my 20 gauge since the mossberg is a heavy gun with a gas system and the 20 is a light o/u. I also don't take it if i am planning to shoot a full box of cartridges. For normal pigeon shooting i either shoot my o/u or my franchi semi. One is 1/4+1/2 choke, the other is straight modified. I like the mossberg if i know the birds are going to be way out there or high, but generally it isn't my first choice pigeon gun. Rick Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pestcontrol1 Posted September 2, 2014 Report Share Posted September 2, 2014 where is the best (cheapest) place in the uk or france to get one of the black cloud goose chokes Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
casts_by_fly Posted September 2, 2014 Report Share Posted September 2, 2014 Don't know. I carried mine from the US. Rick Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
figgy Posted September 3, 2014 Report Share Posted September 3, 2014 where is the best (cheapest) place in the uk or france to get one of the black cloud goose chokes Have a look at huntissimo. Figgy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pestcontrol1 Posted September 3, 2014 Report Share Posted September 3, 2014 Have a look at huntissimo. Figgy they don"t do chokes or if they did i could"t find them on there site Don't know. I carried mine from the US. Rick Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
figgy Posted September 3, 2014 Report Share Posted September 3, 2014 Huntissimo used to do wildfowling chokes I bought my kicks from them. Some one on another thread did say who in Europe sells them now iirc. Figgy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tim Kelly Posted September 3, 2014 Report Share Posted September 3, 2014 John Forsey have patternmaster black cloud chokes, according to their website. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pestcontrol1 Posted September 3, 2014 Report Share Posted September 3, 2014 John Forsey have patternmaster black cloud chokes, according to their website. yes he has"t got one to fit the mp153 But i might have found one else where just waiting for a phone call Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pestcontrol1 Posted September 3, 2014 Report Share Posted September 3, 2014 got one from pro duck an goose cant wait to get it screwed in and see if i not ice any change Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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