955i Posted February 27, 2014 Report Share Posted February 27, 2014 I am not "anti biker" by any manner or means and nor am I trying to be antagonistic but are you saying that bikers should have a different set of laws to other "road users"? No, just give us Snake Pass as a special biker treat Our government has decided to downsize and reduce tax subsidy to many areas. Local government has been hit hard and whilst it needs to sort itself out in general they will struggle. (by the way a lot of the garb they do was forced upon them by Labour) The cost of policing, fire services, etc isn't going down without cutting services or efficiencies, or raising income!!! Pickles the slim has it in for Local Authorities and as a political philosophy (Big Society) they don't want to subsidise services, libraries, day care, youth outreach etc but want local authorities to deal with the consequences and pay for solutions locally! Fine if you can afford it. Watch out as we are moving towards a greater social divide and gap between rich and poor and middle classes. This bunch are a joke!!! Got to be off now but hard hat is on and ready for the flack later! Its the New World Order. Its coming but unfortunately too many are blinkered to it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
colin lad Posted February 27, 2014 Report Share Posted February 27, 2014 Quite simple if you don't speed you won't get caught no matter how many there are even if there was one every 100 yards Colin Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Westley Posted February 27, 2014 Report Share Posted February 27, 2014 The humble "speed" camera is just a deterrent and people only slow down as they pass, then speed up again once passed. As for the points on your licence, I think they should be on a sliding scale, i.e. The higher the speed, the more points. As it stands at present, you receive the same points and fine if you do 33mph or 45mph. The camera only sees one thing (your traffic offence) and not the bigger picture (you getting out of the way of a ambulance). I would like to think that those 3 points helped save someone's life all them years ago. Having been in that same situation and being forced to accelerate above the speed limit, through a camera, to allow free passage of an ambulance. The camera 'flashed' both of us. I went straight to local Police Station and explained the situation, they created a 'log' and gave me the number. After receiving postal advice regarding speeding offence, I wrote quoting the 'log' number. No further action. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Westley Posted February 27, 2014 Report Share Posted February 27, 2014 No, just give us Snake Pass as a special biker treat Its the New World Order. Its coming but unfortunately too many are blinkered to it. No problem with that as long as you provide your own teams, or pick up the bill, to scrape up the unwary afterwards ! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
955i Posted February 27, 2014 Report Share Posted February 27, 2014 Quite simple if you don't speed you won't get caught no matter how many there are even if there was one every 100 yards Colin Its not about how many there is, its about whether they make the roads safer or just generate income. Like I said earlier, how many do you see around schools compared to places where it is often safe to put your foot down a bit. By all means have them, as many as you like, but if they are not reducing accidents don't insult my intelligence by calling them 'Safety Cameras'. Tell it how it is and call them 'Revenue Makers'!! No problem with that as long as you provide your own teams, or pick up the bill, to scrape up the unwary afterwards ! We would just leave them at the side of the road and salvage any top bits off the bikes It would be our own little Mad Max area Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Imperfection Posted February 27, 2014 Report Share Posted February 27, 2014 Im my opinion they are simply to generate money.In my local rag last week it was announced that average speed cameras would be installed on a particular stretch of dual carriageway which to my knowledge has never had a serious accident apart from the usual bumbs at the roundabout or a single fatality. In an ideal world no one would go above the speed limit,but we all have mong moments so i use a speed camera detector as i do about 40,000 miles a year so its kinda an occupational hazzard with picking up points...of which i have three. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
safc1973 Posted February 27, 2014 Report Share Posted February 27, 2014 On motorways they should be set to monitor the distance between cars as well as speed, you have a clear road ahead and speeding a bit, no problem. Speeding and 2 foot off someones ****, points and/or ban. Tailgating is far more dangerous than speed and would get a load of dodgy hgv drivers off the road. Agreed - every time i go through an average speed camera stretch through motorway roadworks i set cruise control for 50mph(thats usually the limit) and get tailgated by HGVs. Its bad enough in my van but on the bike is scary. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zapp Posted February 27, 2014 Report Share Posted February 27, 2014 I got caught last month doing 34 in a 30. Classic case of inattentiveness in one of those areas with a staggered speed limit. Despite this, I'm fine with them, mainly because we have a real problem in my home town of idiots going way, way too fast on a loop around town. There was a real accident black spot on one of the approach roads into town. Camera went up, hey presto, no more pedestrians getting mowed down. The bad news is that the racing route has now changed and goes past my house, so we are subjected to fools on racing bikes doing 80 plus in a 30 zone, especially summer evenings. Last year my wife and youngest very narrowly avoided being hit by two of these imbeciles racing and trying to overtake each other, riding two abreast. I saw it and I am pretty confident they were doing close to a ton. If Mrs Zapp hadnt been on the ball then they would both have been killed for sure. I'd be extremely happy to see a camera go up on my road. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kes Posted February 27, 2014 Report Share Posted February 27, 2014 (edited) I think there are conditions under which cameras are valid. First though the speed limits must principally recognise the needs of motorists to get to places at a reasonable speed. Very happy to have sensitive areas, schools and the like with lower limits but the proliferation of 'resident-set' limits with the local council making limits to get votes is unwise and unhelpful. Cameras used to be set up where more than 3 speed related road casualties had occurred in the previous three year period and in that case their deployment is likely to have saved lives. I am not so sure now and speed limits set which are unreasonable or very confusing can be used to raise revenue. The average speed cameras on motorways are valid as everyone speeds past roadworks and quite a number of the workforce working adjacent to active lanes have been killed or injured where they are not used. That said, if they were removed at night or disabled when no workforce is present, motorists would pay them more respect. Any one driven M6 near Birmingham? All those camera gantry's to increase capacity but perhaps more dangerous then a few miles an hour over the limit. I've been caught once 45 in a 40 area - a bit of thought needs to be applied I suggest as speed differential is the most dangerous - like the police I followed doing 140mph on M56. I reported them asking the traffic sergeant to have a 'word' he asked if I wished to press charges - oh yes I was going to do that wasnt I ! Edited February 27, 2014 by Kes Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grrclark Posted February 27, 2014 Report Share Posted February 27, 2014 There are some sections of motorways where the variable speed limits have really improved traffic flow, thinking particularly about the section of the M42 towards Birmingham airport. I used to fly to Brum then take a hire car to Oxford and very regularly sat in stationary or crawling traffic for 40 odd minutes before reaching the M40 turn off, once the variable limits were put in place the traffic flowed, albeit at 40mph, but it easily removed 20 - 30 mins from the journey time. I think they have their place, but agree that a great many are cynical. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pastiebap Posted February 27, 2014 Report Share Posted February 27, 2014 Don't agree with them, as far as I am concerned they are an easy form of revenue. I would rather see the money spent on more Roads Policing patrols as they can also detect drink drivers, no insurance, careless driving etc etc. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
castletyne Posted February 27, 2014 Report Share Posted February 27, 2014 Can I ask why you got clobbered for slowing down? It was driving along a road and slowed down almost to a stop to check the street name, not the turn i wanted so i drove off to the next turn about 80 yards further down the road This street was the one i wanted.The camera van was sitting opposite this turn Then a NIP in the post said..........I had allowed my driving to fall below that of a competent driver so 3 points and the MS 60 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rupert Posted February 27, 2014 Report Share Posted February 27, 2014 (edited) Its all about the money.But as I try not to use them it has no impact on me.Its in our own hands really. Have you seen the draconian motoring laws and punitive penalties imposed in Norway.Fines are based on income. Edited February 27, 2014 by Rupert Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
secretagentmole Posted February 28, 2014 Report Share Posted February 28, 2014 The Scottish Police admitted they had been placing cameras where there were likely to be speeders such as a place where a speed regulated dual carriageway turns into a motorway rather than where there were accident blackspots, purely to get the number of prosecutions (and therefore fines) up. They have said they will be stopping this! Erm yeah? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
goodo123 Posted February 28, 2014 Report Share Posted February 28, 2014 you should look where they are sited round here. all on perfectly streight roads on the outskirts with no crossings sometimes barrierd off with rediculas limits for the type of road. nearly always near where the limit changes so if you dont notice then poof thanks for the money. ironicly the police commisioner got caught and has put in a appeal to have them moved. as has already been said, speed itself doesnt kill or cause accidents. inapropriate speed, bad driving and general idiots do. whats worse is when you see idiots in view of police and they do nothing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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