Walking cane .410 question

[jgguinness]

A friend of my fathers has had his collection of guns taken off him by the Police.

 

Short version of the story before folk start asking...wife falls down merry on a night out. Next morning, goes to hosp, they ask how she did it, her father who doesn't like son in law suggests he may have pushed her. Totally untrue, but the police act anyway and remove his collection as a precaution.

 

In the collection is a .410 walking cane, antique thing, very nice. He is looking to get another cert holder to look after his collection, in safe hands, until he can have them back. (Couple of .410 SBS, matched pair 12's, 20 gauge and this cane)

 

Section 5 Cerys have been mentioned, but as far as I know, the Police said someone with a section 1 cert can look after this, but not a shotgun cert.

 

Does anyone know the details regarding this. I will call BASC tomorrow but thought I would ask.

 

Kind regards

Jonathan

[HW682]

http://forums.pigeonwatch.co.uk/forums/topic/144909-walking-stick-shotguns/

 

this recent thread might be worth a look

[Paul223]

The law is crystal clear:

 

11.15 It should be noted that chief officers of

police are not empowered (as they are with

firearm certificates) to impose any conditions

of their own on shot gun certificates. The

only exception to this is in relation to section

5(5) of the 1998 Rules and section 5A(3) of

the 1968 Act (as amended). This provides

that when a person wishes to acquire a shot

gun disguised as another object for the

purpose of it being kept or exhibited as part

of a collection, the certificate shall be subject

to an additional condition restricting the use

of that shot gun to use for that purpose. The

most common shot gun of this kind will be

the walking-stick shot gun.

 

So, yes you CAN have walking stick and umbrella shot guns, as detailed in Guidance. I'm a member of a collectors organisation (Historical Breechloading Smallarms Association - HBSA) and quite a lot our members collect walking stick and umbrella shotguns.

 

If you want to see some on display visit the HBSA stand at Chatsworth Country Fair in August.

 

Kind regards

 

Andy

Might be worth sending this fella a pm

[kent]

An RFD can store them, who privately has that much free storage anyhow?

[jgguinness]

Just to put closure on this. After numerous emails between me and Northumbria (my force area) and Durham who were the holding force area, I had clearance to collect the walking stick. Northumbria have put a section 5 condition on my cert, and I am now in possession.

It's a lovely little thing, won't try and fire it, but it's just sitting in the cabinet. Will post pics if anyone is interested.

Jonathan

Edited June 27, 2014 by jgguinness

[Paul223]

Yeah please

 

 

Glad you got it sorted, was it an easy task?

[p@cman]

Yeah please

 

 

Glad you got it sorted, was it an easy task?

 

+ 1

 

Pics would be great...

[jgguinness]

Here we go.

 

 

Removing the handle by twisting, you can see

 

The handle as shown

 

 

Rotating the collar allows the trigger to flick out

 

Hope thats of use to people.

Jonathan

[theshootist]

Its a beautiful thing! Thank you for sharing.

 

Do you think these were made for opportunistic shots whilst out walking, as a means of self defence or simply because they are cool?

[nderfel]

Or d) all of the above

[ChrisAsh]

Self defence before the 19xx something act that made firearms licensed

 

Handy little thing in those days, plenty were made especially in France, some with umbrella's fitted as well

[phillips321]

Looks more like a poaching tool to me? By the time you've got it ready to fire for self defense the crooks would be off with your money on on the next plane to timbuctu

Edited June 27, 2014 by phillips321

[Paul223]

Nah it's no poachers gun, to refined

[aris]

What are the restrictions imposed by your license? Is it collectors item only? Can you test fire it?

[jgguinness]

Well the process that I have gone through is as follows.

 

Durham didn't want to release it. I had spoken to my force area Northumbria over the phone and they said they were fine for me to have it. I always email them regarding changes to licenses, so when notifying them of some additions to my shotgun cert I asked if they could send me, in writing, confirmation of the walking stick and that they were happy for me to collect. This didn't materialise.

 

Several weeks later, the fella who's guns there are/were gets a call from Durham (his force area) and a lady saying that if he didn't find suitable storage for it in the near future it would have to be handed over to Beamish (a local museum) and if that was the case, it wouldn't be returned.

 

A few hours after, I get a call from Durham FEO saying that the two force area firearms licensing units had been in touch, and that they were happy to release it onto my ticket, something about section 5 and had been noted on their database.

 

I go through to the agreed station, go through into his office, he has a look at my tickets (that haven't been changed yet by Northumbria), scratches his head a bit, logs onto a system (that I cannot rember the name of, but began with N) and on there were details of every conversation I have had with Northumbria, checks an email and then pops it on my firearms cert. I also got a copy of the Evidence Record form from when the guns were seized just incase I get stopped.

 

Today I call Northumbria, my area to ask about it, and the lady there said it should have been put on my shotgun cert not firearms and to send them both in so they can be reprinted. She said I didn't have a section 5??

 

I have emailed them as per usual with all details. To my knowledge I have no restrictions placed on it. All very strange and confusing, just hope it's legal?

Edited June 27, 2014 by jgguinness

[p@cman]

Lovely, thanks for the pics jg