Suffolk shooter Posted January 31, 2007 Report Share Posted January 31, 2007 Whilst out shooting with Ferretboy111 at the weekend, we were having abit of a lean spell with birds not committing to the pattern, when FB decided to try a trick he had read or seen somewhere and that I also had seen. This was to throw/lobb one of the shot pigeons from the hide when pigeons were coming just out of reach as a means of attracting their attention. Now the question is, have any of you used this trick to attract them in, as we had a debate as to what point you actually did this? Early say as they appear,or as tthey get close but not close enough to commit? SS Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steve_k Posted January 31, 2007 Report Share Posted January 31, 2007 i will give this a go at the weekend if things dry up i will tell you how i get on! nice idea though Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Teal Posted January 31, 2007 Report Share Posted January 31, 2007 I do this when corvid shooting all the time, snap both wings of the bird, make a crow noise and lob the bird out. It has been very productive for me pulling birds in from great distances. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boom boom Posted January 31, 2007 Report Share Posted January 31, 2007 Whilst out shooting with Ferretboy111 at the weekend, we were having abit of a lean spell with birds not committing to the pattern, when FB decided to try a trick he had read or seen somewhere and that I also had seen. This was to throw/lobb one of the shot pigeons from the hide when pigeons were coming just out of reach as a means of attracting their attention. Now the question is, have any of you used this trick to attract them in, as we had a debate as to what point you actually did this? Early say as they appear,or as tthey get close but not close enough to commit? SS the late great archie coates did this trick seen him try it in jack charlton video (jacks game pigeon shooting) i think it was early Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mossy835 Posted January 31, 2007 Report Share Posted January 31, 2007 now archie coats,used two do this in late semtember is the best time when young pigeon are about. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boom boom Posted January 31, 2007 Report Share Posted January 31, 2007 now archie coats,used two do this in late semtember is the best time when young pigeon are about. dont know what time of year it was when i say early i meant just as the pigeon crosses a hedge etc but the more i think about it ithink it was when the bird was passing and not commiting he lobbed it out, suppose we will have to keep on debateing unless somebody still has the video Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mossy835 Posted February 1, 2007 Report Share Posted February 1, 2007 get hold of archies videos and see the man in action. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Catamong Posted February 1, 2007 Report Share Posted February 1, 2007 Well, Archie didn't have a rotary device, and nowaday's I don't believe it's necessary if you've got a magnet (or two) working away, if you've done your homework and sited your hide correctly you shouldn't need to lob birds out of the hide. I tried it and it didn't work for me, the birds flared off when they saw my arm flailing around above the nets..!! Cat. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Suffolk shooter Posted February 1, 2007 Author Report Share Posted February 1, 2007 When you say snap the wings is this so that when thrown they flail/flap, unlike when not snapping them they tend to remain folded againest the body? We tried both Early and also almost but not quite commiting birds and it did seem to attract the latter better. Catamong, I think the trick is to Lob them from below the hide top rather than overarm throw them so your hand shows, dependant on how tight and snug your hide is though and what the background/cover is. I'm glad somebody mentioned Archie Coates, that's the book I read it in after I borrowed it from my mate. Good reading and the receipes in there are good too. SS Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pin Posted February 1, 2007 Report Share Posted February 1, 2007 My mate theo keeps banging on about making some contraption Heath Robinson style whereby he has a dead bird on some sort of dolly, arranged with its wings in a landing type pattern. His idea continues with some form of rig which uses fishing line and a tree, a stake in the ground and some form of winding device. His plan is to simulate birds landing in the pattern somehow. I have pointed out that floaters seem to do that very well and wouldn't take 3 hours to setup, with constant mucking about to get "working". He seems convinced it is the next big idea. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Highlander Posted February 1, 2007 Report Share Posted February 1, 2007 Remember, Archie Coates famous book was originally written over 40 years ago. A good read and some of it still remains relevant today BUT an awful lot has changed since then. AC didn’t have the magnet and myriad electronic devices we have today (not that I think he’d have been too keen to use them) so it was all down to ingenuity and field craft. There were many things tried, birds on wires to ‘fly’ out of trees, hand worked flappers etc etc all of which were fairly complicated bits of equipment involving pulleys, lines and in some instances bits of ironmongery. His idea of throwing a dead bird into the pattern was based on the same premises as some of the modern devices, to create movement and therefore interest in a decoy spread. The bird to be used needed it’s wings broken and was thrown somewhat like a boomerang or Frisbee, by one wing. The perfect throw would spin the wings and flash the white wing bars hopefully attracting a passing pigeon. BUT first find your passing pigeon AND then judge the right time to throw! Personally I wouldn't bother 'cause if the birds aren't responding to your pattern and other devices they're hardly likely to do so to a thrown bird. If you're bored sitting in your hide with no birds coming in try reading AC's book to pass the time Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cranfield Posted February 1, 2007 Report Share Posted February 1, 2007 I tried this many years ago when I first read Archie Coats' book, but I have never had any proven success with it. On a couple of occasions it definitely spooked the birds, as its difficult to throw the bird any distance, without shoving your arm above the hide. Like others have said, now that we have movement in our patterns with rotarys, floaters, spring pegs, flappers, peckers, etc., I don't think its necessary. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
invector Posted February 1, 2007 Report Share Posted February 1, 2007 Most of these gadgets are not necessary. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aubs Posted February 2, 2007 Report Share Posted February 2, 2007 Hi Tried this some time ago and it didn't work..... Was in a hide with a mate and we spoke about it after shooting a crow. The next one that came along we would give it a try. So I gets down behind the hide and my mate lofts the crow from behind my head. The next thing I gets a gret big bang at the back of my head and a quarter inch of crow beak for my pleasure.... never tried it again.. Cheers aubs Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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