Countrysports Posted May 2, 2014 Report Share Posted May 2, 2014 Magazines are NOT component parts.............end of. Everyone from the Home Office, many members of Pigeon Watch to the CPS have deemed this correct. It beggars belief that people who own, use or advise those who do cannot understand the simple words written in the firearms act. In Northern Ireland magazines are component parts and listed in firearms order 2004 (ammended). Mainland they are not considered component parts. Hope this helps some confusion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Countrysports Posted May 2, 2014 Report Share Posted May 2, 2014 As I have already said check your certificate conditions . My conditions state that the firearm must be unloaded (that includes the magazine )going to the range and back. So I assume if I ignored that and was caught I would be in trouble. That is on a range firearm having a loaded mag going from one shoot to another could be different. I had another look at my certificate the condition only applies to the handguns not my .22 rifle. So probably different to the rest of the UK. Correct. As my post above states different regulations for different legislation areas. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CharlieT Posted May 2, 2014 Report Share Posted May 2, 2014 In Northern Ireland magazines are component parts and listed in firearms order 2004 (ammended). Mainland they are not considered component parts. Hope this helps some confusion. No confusion chap, we were discussing firearm laws in England and Wales, not NI which has completely different laws. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peek-at Posted June 26, 2014 Report Share Posted June 26, 2014 (edited) Extract taken from legislation.gov.uk - click 19 Carrying firearm in a public place.A person commits an offence if, without lawful authority or reasonable excuse (the proof whereof lies on him) he has with him in a public place[F1(a)a loaded shot gun,(b)an air weapon (whether loaded or not),©any other firearm (whether loaded or not) together with ammunition suitable for use in that firearm, or(d)an imitation firearm.] This would suggest that is doesn't matter whether your air rifle is 'loaded' or not.............as long as you have a reasonable excuse to have it in public. It follows then that it doesnt matter whether your magazine is loaded or not. Edited June 26, 2014 by peek-at Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bullet boy Posted June 26, 2014 Author Report Share Posted June 26, 2014 I've carried on leaving my magazines empty until I reach my shooting permission. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Therealchucknorris Posted June 26, 2014 Report Share Posted June 26, 2014 I've carried on leaving my magazines empty until I reach my shooting permission. Me too. Doesn't do me any harm to spend ten seconds loading up there where I know it's safe and it just forms part of my pre-shoot ritual / safety checks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ordnance Posted June 26, 2014 Report Share Posted June 26, 2014 (edited) No confusion chap, we were discussing firearm laws in England and Wales, not NI which has completely different laws. As people travel back and forward between England and N Ireland shooting, would it not be useful for some to know the regulations regards ammo and magazines in both. Chap. Edited June 26, 2014 by ordnance Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bostonmick Posted June 26, 2014 Report Share Posted June 26, 2014 Can't understand why you would need to carry full magazines and can't believe this has gone on for six pages.if it is not illegal then it should be and why would you need to jump out of your car like die hard this is a sport people it's not war. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sako751sg Posted June 26, 2014 Report Share Posted June 26, 2014 Can't understand why you would need to carry full magazines and can't believe this has gone on for six pages.if it is not illegal then it should be and why would you need to jump out of your car like die hard this is a sport people it's not war. I also can't believe this has gone on for so long. The question was is it illegal,and the answer is no but you still get people saying it should be and comparing carrying a loaded mag to a made up Hollywood guts and all movie! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
reggiegun Posted June 26, 2014 Report Share Posted June 26, 2014 I also can't believe this has gone on for so long. The question was is it illegal,and the answer is no but you still get people saying it should be and comparing carrying a loaded mag to a made up Hollywood guts and all movie! Sako, not seen any of you excellent photo's of late mate, whats up. Reggiegun Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sako751sg Posted June 26, 2014 Report Share Posted June 26, 2014 Sako, not seen any of you excellent photo's of late mate, whats up. Reggiegun All fine fella,wee bit busy but hopefully will have a free spell now.Plenty of roe doon and sorting oot a couple of new ponds for the ducks so will get roond to putting a few pics up,or maybe do a whole year in one thread,lol. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Archie-fox Posted June 26, 2014 Report Share Posted June 26, 2014 All fine fella,wee bit busy but hopefully will have a free spell now.Plenty of roe doon and sorting oot a couple of new ponds for the ducks so will get roond to putting a few pics up,or maybe do a whole year in one thread,lol. good to see you back Dave..hope things are good up your way, me and reggigun were discussing your absence in my back garden the other night.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bostonmick Posted June 26, 2014 Report Share Posted June 26, 2014 I also can't believe this has gone on for so long. The question was is it illegal,and the answer is no but you still get people saying it should be and comparing carrying a loaded mag to a made up Hollywood guts and all movie! So we are in agreement. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DaveK Posted June 26, 2014 Report Share Posted June 26, 2014 Lets put it a different way then. A magazine is not a component part of a firearm. A loaded magazine is still not a component part of a firearm BUT if you are in possession of a loaded magazine, the firearm itself is considered to be loaded. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ireland71 Posted June 26, 2014 Report Share Posted June 26, 2014 Why have all these posts,why don't the person in question just phone BASC surly they would have the answer to his(her) question, one phone call one answer rather than page after page thanks vince Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DaveK Posted June 27, 2014 Report Share Posted June 27, 2014 Why have all these posts,why don't the person in question just phone BASC surly they would have the answer to his(her) question, one phone call one answer rather than page after page thanks vince Because, young Vince, this is Pigeonwatch and our experts know far more about firearms law than FEO's, BASC, SACS, NGO and any other shooting organisation. Your suggestion is far too common sensical to be considered. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scully Posted June 27, 2014 Report Share Posted June 27, 2014 I thought this topic had been put to bed....6 pages! My .22rf magazine is always loaded for the simple reason I keep it loaded when using it and when our lamping session is finished the magazine is dropped out and the round from the chamber added to those still in the magazine. This goes in my ammo cabinet and then next time I use it, it is taken from the cabinet and shoved in my slip along with the rifle and other ammo. My CF magazine is emptied when I finish a session with that for the simple reason I care more for the spring in that magazine than I do for the rf mag'. Nothing to do with rolling from the vehicle like 'die hard' at all. The suggestion is ridiculous; anyone tried rolling from a moving Landrover with a loaded rifle aka 'Hollywood style'? Can anyone give one good reason why they think it should be illegal to travel with a loaded magazine? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beardo Posted June 27, 2014 Report Share Posted June 27, 2014 and on that note.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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