fireash123 Posted February 2, 2007 Report Share Posted February 2, 2007 iv already sent of my application but have not declared my cautions from the police as i was told its not a conviction. but am worried now as it might look like im hiding stuff. as it is firearm related. it was when i was 15 i was cautioned for playing with an air rifle on public property. stupid i know. it was 10 years ago and im now and adult (some times) with a good job, my own home. but im really worried about not declaring it on the application. anyone with any experince knowledge about the matter? would really apreciated it. as i think im hooked and i havnt even shot a gun yet so would be very disapointed if got refussed just for not declaring a caution Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pin Posted February 2, 2007 Report Share Posted February 2, 2007 You only declare convictions on the form, when asked about stuff at the interview make sure you mention everything too him/her - they have pulled your rap sheet and will know more than you do Can't see it being a problem, a caution isn't a conviction so has no place on the form really. You could put it on a separate sheet but as long as you mention it you will be fine. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Geordie Posted February 2, 2007 Report Share Posted February 2, 2007 Well lets face it it's too late to make amendments now anyway so just relax and see what transpires LG Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fireash123 Posted February 2, 2007 Author Report Share Posted February 2, 2007 in know im just getting up tight. shouldnt worries cose ive been told its guna take 3 months. and cheers again pin i think your turning into my enclopidia of shooting lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hunter Posted February 2, 2007 Report Share Posted February 2, 2007 Providing you tell the FLO when he/she visits, youl be fine. As said above, they know everything about you before they visit, and will be testing your honesty and maturity to own firearms. Even if its not a big deal, just tell it, and then your on the right side. If you try to play games and they catch you out, you can even go to court for not providing truthful information on such matters. They take this VERY seriously to prevent future problems, and rightly so. Be honest and helpful to any qeustions, and you will fine Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
death from below Posted February 2, 2007 Report Share Posted February 2, 2007 in know im just getting up tight. shouldnt worries cose ive been told its guna take 3 months.and cheers again pin i think your turning into my enclopidia of shooting lol Fireash.....tell 'em everything....i am a serving police officer....when I applied for my sgc I thankfully/obviously did not have anything on my record....so I thought...when I produced my driving licence to the local licensing officer(who was in truth a very nice man with my interests at heart) he noticed that I had 3 outdated points on my licence for an automated speeing offence that had happened which was two years out of date. He was still unimpressed that I had not declared it.....thankfully I was a little clued up as to the rehabilitation of offenders act and the fact that this could in no way be held against me.......Having worked in the law for 17 years....believe me when i say it is/can be an ***.......if he had wanted to be pedantic about it then he could have refused my licence......which would have been totally unjustified....but it still would have been refused.......trying to get a refusal overturned is, i believe, a time and money costing exercise.......the moral being.....be straight with them....no matter what Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pin Posted February 2, 2007 Report Share Posted February 2, 2007 Don't want to cause a fight or owt, but you being in the job should know that for the purposes of applying for a shotgun (or FAC) the rehabilitation of offenders act does not apply. You are not legally entitled to withhold convictions for this purpose, in effect they are not "spent" in this context. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
markbivvy Posted February 2, 2007 Report Share Posted February 2, 2007 thankfully I was a little clued up as to the rehabilitation of offenders act the above act cannot be used when applying for fac/sgc certs Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kirky640 Posted February 2, 2007 Report Share Posted February 2, 2007 yes you should have it would have showed your onesty !! but it should be ok my advice to you would be to talk to firearms officer when he visits you tell him your concerns and get in first because he will know i tell yee good luck mate kirky Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
death from below Posted February 2, 2007 Report Share Posted February 2, 2007 having looked at my reply....it is a bit ambigious.....plainly I should have just said....admit to everything.... truth is what they are after....hide something....and your knackered.....the Rooa is very complex when you actually look into it...don't even go into what should/can/will/ought to be admitted to....it is a complete grey area and anyone who states it isn't is probably a defence lawyer looking for business. DFB Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SNAKEBITE Posted February 3, 2007 Report Share Posted February 3, 2007 Fireash.....tell 'em everything....i am a serving police officer.... There's nothing shonky round these part guv' honest. Although you might want to start looking for a middle aged man with a quiff, last seen in the Kings Road heading towards Manchester, could help with your enquiries. Ofcourse if you don't catch him now you are guarenteed overtime on the Bank Holiday Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lucky Posted February 3, 2007 Report Share Posted February 3, 2007 When my firearms officer came round, he told me they now take drink driving into consideration too as it shows you are irresponsible, it also clearly states on the form that you have to declare ALL motoring convictions, even speeding points that are no longer on your licence. Just got my certificate, it took less than 4 weeks!!!!!!! Off to pick up my new shotgun this morning. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
webber Posted February 3, 2007 Report Share Posted February 3, 2007 I would send a recorded delivery letter as soon as possible, explaining that you feel that you may have made an error in your application, and then detail your omissions. Keep a copy for when FEO comes around, and be prepared to explain. If you leave it untill he comes around, he could draw the wrong conclusion about your intentions, which would place you on the back foot. Just be honest, most decent bobbies can see straight through a blagger, but FEO do like all the detail in place. webber Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pedro Posted February 3, 2007 Report Share Posted February 3, 2007 Check out Essex massive! We're going to have to get together chaps. Nice to see another copper btw DFB P. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pat r Dale Posted February 3, 2007 Report Share Posted February 3, 2007 When my firearms officer came round, he told me they now take drink driving into consideration too as it shows you are irresponsible, it also clearly states on the form that you have to declare ALL motoring convictions, even speeding points that are no longer on your licence. Just got my certificate, it took less than 4 weeks!!!!!!! Off to pick up my new shotgun this morning. If you have an sp 30 or sp 50 and didnt go to court you have not been convicted of anything. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
markbivvy Posted February 3, 2007 Report Share Posted February 3, 2007 sp 30 or sp 50 still have to be listed though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pat r Dale Posted February 3, 2007 Report Share Posted February 3, 2007 Even though they are not convictions? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
markbivvy Posted February 3, 2007 Report Share Posted February 3, 2007 Even though they are not convictions? Exceeding statutory speed limit on a public road sp 30 Exceeding speed limit on a motorway sp 50. both carry fines/bans. so must be listed. to do with the calber of the applicant. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lurch Posted February 3, 2007 Report Share Posted February 3, 2007 a caution isn't a conviction so has no place on the form really Don't agree. If you accept a caution then you have admitted to committing a criminal offence. Especially pertinent in this case. All cautions should be declared. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gully Posted February 3, 2007 Report Share Posted February 3, 2007 I'd give it a week or so then call your firearms team, ask them if its been received and then casually ask if cautions should be declared and ' Oh, then I have one to declare'. From my (limited) experience you need to be up front. If you are now a responsible member of society and as a fire fighter I hope you are, you'll be fine. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
markbivvy Posted February 3, 2007 Report Share Posted February 3, 2007 I'd give it a week or so then call your firearms team, ask them if its been received and then casually ask if cautions should be declared and ' Oh, then I have one to declare' no,no,no,no,no, to late mate, send a letter first thing monday explainng you forgot to add it in with your application. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
markbivvy Posted February 3, 2007 Report Share Posted February 3, 2007 iv already sent of my application but have not declared my cautions from the police as i was told its not a conviction. but am worried now as it might look like im hiding stuff. as it is firearm related. not declared my cautions. how many have you. am worried now as it might look like im hiding stuff thats exactly how it will look i was told its not a conviction. wont wash with the feo. unless you send a letter as soon as ***, the first words out of the feo.s mouth could be. mr fireman you dont have to say anything but anything you do say will be, blah de blah. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dazzyboi Posted February 3, 2007 Report Share Posted February 3, 2007 they will know.. jesus..they will know.. last year my phone got stolen from the pub, i went to the police for insurance purposes so i could make a claim. i got a crime id..ok and forgotten....one year later when the FEO came round to do a home visit he thought i had stolen someones phone in the pub as it was on my record, we had a chuckle but i told him to get them to correct it! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gully Posted February 3, 2007 Report Share Posted February 3, 2007 Yeah, they'll know. Which is why you try to rectify it in a sensible way. To be honest, if you have a caution for a firearms offence you should have spoken to them about it. First thing I did when thinking of applying for a SGC was to phone my FEO, introduce myself and have a chat. He remembered this when he come round for my home visit. His first question was "so, you have declared XXX on your record." I said yes, unless you can tell me otherwise. All went well from there... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
palombier Posted February 3, 2007 Report Share Posted February 3, 2007 Fireash Pin is absolutely right a caution is not a conviction and need not be declared, nor for that matter is a speeding ticket. Where it mentions on the back of the form you are not entitled withold information about any offence this means any offence for which you have been convicted .For it to be a conviction you have to appear in court in front of a magistrate. They cannot refuse your licence on this basis so you don't need to send them anything in explanation but by all means mention it when you receive a visit if you feel you have to. Regards P Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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