FAO BASC - Medical reports

[GHE]

Here we still are, after 15 pages and 300 posts - and BASC are still sitting on the fence, still trying to be friends with ACPO, the Home Office and the police and still failing to tell their members exactly what they are going to do to stop other politicians and the police from killing our sport.

 

I think that this thread says a lot, unfortunately, about the attitudes of many shooters, who won't stand up for themselves and their sport. Unfortunately though it seems to say even more about our shooting organisations.

 

I don't blame only BASC for this, but as they keep pointing out in their adverts, they are the biggest. By implication, they are also the richest and the best connected, and they are the ones that we should be able to rely on.

[bostonmick]

Interesting thread i was recently charged 65£ for my medical certificate

Was there any particular reason you obtained and paid for this report or did you do it out of fear of being refused.did you contact basc or are you not a member.atb

[wymberley]

.i remember a few years back when the list of referee's was purely made up of professionals who charged to sign the photo's and your forms around £25

I'm 70, had a certificate from the word go and have never had to pay. I would imagine that in spite of the validity of your comment to a degree, that those who did have to are small in number.

 

At least I hope so: If not, I missed out on a fortune as as an Established Civil servant I was one of those "professionals"; countersigned many, many applications and never charged a penny. I've always wondered if, when they specified, 'Established Civil Servant', they actually meant to include we peasants of an 'Industrial Grade'.

Edited May 29, 2014 by wymberley

[p@cman]

Here we still are, after 15 pages and 300 posts - and BASC are still sitting on the fence, still trying to be friends with ACPO, the Home Office and the police and still failing to tell their members exactly what they are going to do to stop other politicians and the police from killing our sport.

 

I think that this thread says a lot, unfortunately, about the attitudes of many shooters, who won't stand up for themselves and their sport. Unfortunately though it seems to say even more about our shooting organisations.

 

I don't blame only BASC for this, but as they keep pointing out in their adverts, they are the biggest. By implication, they are also the richest and the best connected, and they are the ones that we should be able to rely on.

 

I disagree with you that BASC are sat on the fence; in my opinion David has come across as being quite clear on the BASC stance on this matter.

 

I do however agree with you that the thread says a lot about some of the shooters attitudes though; the overwhelming sound of certain posters constant grinding axes against BASC has led me to wearing ear defenders when following this thread..!

[the_rains]

Was there any particular reason you obtained and paid for this report or did you do it out of fear of being refused.did you contact basc or are you not a member.atb

I am currently not a member of BASC or any shooting organisation, I been shooting the past 12 months at a local club and thought it was time I apply for my license.

 

The main reason I paid was because i didn't want to delay my application, the Drs report was minimal, it didn't tell them nothing I didn't disclose on my application and what I listed was over 5 years ago.

 

There is also nothing in any documentation I could find find that stated who is responsible for paying the fees.

 

What i didn't like was the tone of the letter from my force requesting i get a medical report from my GP it mentioned a time frame in which if they don't receive my report my application would be cancelled, which I felt was a bit unjustified, luckily my GP was on the case.

 

When my FEO visited I mentioned it and they stated they used to charge them that was it.

 

Just seems to me there is inconsistency amongst the police forces here in the UK.

[bostonmick]

I'm 70, had a certificate from the word go and have never had to pay. I would imagine that in spite of the validity of your comment to a degree, that those who did have to are small in number.

 

At least I hope so: If not, I missed out on a fortune as as an Established Civil servant I was one of those "professionals"; countersigned many, many applications and never charged a penny. I've always wondered if, when they specified, 'Established Civil Servant', they actually meant to include we peasants of an 'Industrial Grade'.

you must understand that there were many people who could not count among their friends a person on the list of accepted referee's and had to go to a doctor.vicar.solicitor and were charged for the service.you were very fortunate to not have ever paid for this.perhaps it was because as you said you worked within one of the chosen areas so had access to others to sign for you free of charge.atb

[wymberley]

I am currently not a member of BASC or any shooting organisation, I been shooting the past 12 months at a local club and thought it was time I apply for my license.

 

The main reason I paid was because i didn't want to delay my application, the Drs report was minimal, it didn't tell them nothing I didn't disclose on my application and what I listed was over 5 years ago.

 

There is also nothing in any documentation I could find find that stated who is responsible for paying the fees.

 

What i didn't like was the tone of the letter from my force requesting i get a medical report from my GP it mentioned a time frame in which if they don't receive my report my application would be cancelled, which I felt was a bit unjustified, luckily my GP was on the case.

 

When my FEO visited I mentioned it and they stated they used to charge them that was it.

 

Just seems to me there is inconsistency amongst the police forces here in the UK.

If ever there was an example why we are justified in causing a stink, this is it.

[bostonmick]

I am currently not a member of BASC or any shooting organisation, I been shooting the past 12 months at a local club and thought it was time I apply for my license.

 

The main reason I paid was because i didn't want to delay my application, the Drs report was minimal, it didn't tell them nothing I didn't disclose on my application and what I listed was over 5 years ago.

 

There is also nothing in any documentation I could find find that stated who is responsible for paying the fees.

 

What i didn't like was the tone of the letter from my force requesting i get a medical report from my GP it mentioned a time frame in which if they don't receive my report my application would be cancelled, which I felt was a bit unjustified, luckily my GP was on the case.

 

When my FEO visited I mentioned it and they stated they used to charge them that was it.

 

Just seems to me there is inconsistency amongst the police forces here in the UK.

there are inconsistency's among the forces this is mainly due to the fact that home office and other official documents are never written in straight language it is all left to the interpretation of those reading it.wrong I know but it is not a new thing been like it for years.it is a shame you were not a member of basc as they may have been able to help.but anyway welcome to the world of shooting enjoy.

[wymberley]

you must understand that there were many people who could not count among their friends a person on the list of accepted referee's and had to go to a doctor.vicar.solicitor and were charged for the service.you were very fortunate to not have ever paid for this.perhaps it was because as you said you worked within one of the chosen areas so had access to others to sign for you free of charge.atb

Not quite right, but there again I didn't mention that it was only for a 10 year period. Yep, I had a colleague countersign for me twice in that period but before and after that I was in the same boat as everyone else.

[David BASC]

the_ rains, could you let me know which constabulary this is please? PM is fine or email at david.ilsley@basc.org.uk

 

thanks

David

[the_rains]

I understand why how i proceeded with my application may have got peoples backs up, i just wanted to play ball and get my license.

 

What I found frustrating on the application is you sign giving them consent to access your medical records, you then receive a letter requesting a GP report. Why not take this out of the application and request a medical report if ever treated with anything that may deem you a hazard ? Then send this along with the original application would save about 4 weeks in which I waited for the letter requesting the report. That way everything is in place.

[Medic1281]

David you have a pm

[the_rains]

David have sent you a PM

[CharlieT]

in none of my posts have I said that you cannot complain about anything.as far as I am aware the home office or the police are not seeking a profit from your certificates just to cover the cost of processing them.i believe that to be fair you do not.i remember a few years back when the list of referee's was purely made up of professionals who charged to sign the photo's and your forms around £25 in most cases.yet everyone was only to happy to go along with it.perhaps basc and the others could suggest a simple one question form asking gp's if they know of any reason why this person should not be permitted a firearm.just tick a yes or no box.then we could all bung them a tenner for their trouble and jobs a good un.onless you would consider that being shafted as well.atb

It has always been forbidden for applicants to pay a referee and still is.

[Scully]

Scully,

 

I have spoken to all members of the firearms team, no one can remember such a conversation, so unless you can point me in the right direction....

 

I can confirm however that BASC are still 100% opposed to compulsory medical reports.

 

David

Have to admit I wasn't expecting that, but perhaps I shouldn't be surprised . Very interesting. Meantime, unless I can point you in the right direction.....meaning what exactly ?

[Scully]

you are perfectly entitled to complain.as you have obviously done.you have as you say been in contact with basc and had it from a very high source that it wil come and they can do not much about it only try and limit the damage.which is something that has not been mentioned all the comments here say stop it dead nobody has come up with a compromise that's the normal way.all you are looking at is a small rise in costs it could be much worse they could raise the criteria for ownership that could cause far bigger problems.

Mick pleeeaase! If I had hair I'd be pulling it out! Do you do this deliberately? I've mentioned the 'compromise' several times in my posts; have you not read the entire thread?

[David BASC]

Simply meaning Scully that unless you can tell me exactly who you spoke to I cannot check their notes of the conversation to see exactly what was said - simple as that

[bostonmick]

It has always been forbidden for applicants to pay a referee and still is.

Then a lot of respected people broke the rules in the years gone by.

[Scully]

Well if the person I spoke to is denying having the conversation as I've related, it obviously means they don't want to be named. If I betray that confidence then that person may be reluctant to talk to me again.

I must admit this isn't what I was expecting, but...ah well.

Maybe we'll just have to wait and see how things pan out . Time will tell.

[David BASC]

I am saying that no one recalls the exact detail of the conversation, you will not tell me who you spoke to, when or even the department they are from, if you will not help me than I cant help you its as simple as that.

[evo]

I cant believe this has gone 16 pages ,,, its gone round and round and round and round and round and round and round and round and round and round and round and round and round and

 

round and round and round and round and round and round and round and round and round and round and round and round and round and round and round and round and round and round

 

and round and round in circles that many times and a few cant see it,,,why because they are getting dizzy,, crickey I better stop I,m getting dizzy,,

 

 

well now for my next box of teabags,,

 

just glad I,m a member of BASC :whistling:

 

atb Evo

[the_rains]

I think a logical plan needs to be put in place until something solid happens. Maybe get some letter templates together for those that received a letter similar to the one I received with a response about giving consent on the application ( which tells me they should pay) but again is a grey area

 

The likes of BASC / CPSA need to come up with a plan as to how best guide members and do i dare say ( none members) how to deal with such requests so everyone is on the same page when dealing with requests for medical reports. When a medical report was requested for my recent application I scoured forums for hours trying to find advice how best to deal with it, and in the end, the majority of the advice was not useful advise and kept going around in circles, with the majority demanding I don't follow through with the request, because " I am making it harder on the rest of us and agreeing it is ok to demand we pay " which in hindsight i know is right, but what else was I suppose to do ?

 

I would be interesting to compare the letter I received and the wording of it with something that someone else has received from another force, i suppose the ultimate question is that nowhere is it written that who is responsible for medical certificates, so we can all argue untill we are blue in the face

Edited May 29, 2014 by the_rains

[welsh1]

I cant believe this has gone 16 pages ,,, its gone round and round and round and round and round and round and round and round and round and round and round and round and round and

 

round and round and round and round and round and round and round and round and round and round and round and round and round and round and round and round and round and round

 

and round and round in circles that many times and a few cant see it,,,why because they are getting dizzy,, crickey I better stop I,m getting dizzy,,

 

 

well now for my next box of teabags,,

 

just glad I,m a member of BASC :whistling:

 

atb Evo

I think you should clarify which way round and round and round and round and round and round and round and round and round and round and round and round and round and round and round and round and round and round and round and round you are talking about,as there are two ways for this to go,and while i don't want to argue with you the only way is clockwise,and anything else is just wrong and thrust upon us by people with an agenda.

 

I hope this clarifies my position on this matter

 

No sugar in my tea please

Edited May 29, 2014 by welsh1

[Saffa]

 

I disagree with you that BASC are sat on the fence; in my opinion David has come across as being quite clear on the BASC stance on this matter.

 

I do however agree with you that the thread says a lot about some of the shooters attitudes though; the overwhelming sound of certain posters constant grinding axes against BASC has led me to wearing ear defenders when following this thread..!

exactly what i see on this thread!

[Bazooka Joe]

the overwhelming sound of certain posters constant grinding axes against BASC has led me to wearing ear defenders when following this thread..!

 

 

Maybe certain posters have a good reason to.......