moeggesit Posted February 7, 2007 Report Share Posted February 7, 2007 I dont know if someone already mentioned it on here but I thought I'd like as many people to know and petition againts it. Petitions end 20 Feb 07! Here is a link to the government website: http://petitions.pm.gov.uk:80/traveltax/ Here is someone else's explanation: For all those car owners.... Sarah Kennedy was on about this proposed car tax scheme on the radio. Apparently there is only one month left to register your objection to the 'Pay as you go' road tax. The petition is on the 10 Downing St website but they didn't tell anybody about it. Therefore at the time of Sarah's comments only 250,000 people had signed it so far and 750,000 signatures are required to stop them introducing it. This is legit... from the 10 Downing Street's website. Once you've given your details (you don't have to give your full address, just house number and postcode will do), they will send you an email with a link in it. Once you click on that link, you'll have signed the petition. Democracy in action? The government's proposal to introduce road pricing will mean you having to purchase a tracking device for your car and paying a monthly bill to use it. The tracking device will cost about £200 and in a recent study by the BBC, the lowest monthly bill was £28 for a rural florist and £194 for a delivery driver. A non working mother who used the car to take the kids to school paid £86 in one month. On top of this massive increase in tax, you will be tracked. Somebody will know where you are at all times. They will also know how fast you have been going, so even if you accidentally creep over a speed limit in time you can probably expect a Notice of Intended Prosecution with your monthly bill. If you care about our freedom and stopping the constant bashing of the car driver, please sign the petition on No 10's new website (link below) and pass this on to as many people as possible. http://petitions.pm.gov.uk/traveltax/ If you have not looked at this spare a wee moment. Gordon (that is Brown not Gin) is searching for new ways to hose our money down various black holes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pin Posted February 7, 2007 Report Share Posted February 7, 2007 Signed, 797,738 signatures on it before mine Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
il cacciatore Posted February 7, 2007 Report Share Posted February 7, 2007 Already done it. Doesn't matter what you sign, they'll still do it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
andy74 Posted February 8, 2007 Report Share Posted February 8, 2007 Signed as well, 850,159 signatures on there now, how many are needed for them to "Supposedly" stop this from happening Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cranfield Posted February 8, 2007 Report Share Posted February 8, 2007 This has been on here before and I expect most of us have signed it. Apparently, the comment that if 750,000 people sign it, the proposal will be ditched, is not correct. I doubt this Government would listen if over 1 million signed it. Just another stealth tax, as they won't get away with increasing petrol duty much higher. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mossy835 Posted February 8, 2007 Report Share Posted February 8, 2007 a lot of good its going two do. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SNAKEBITE Posted February 8, 2007 Report Share Posted February 8, 2007 Signing these internet petitions are like wetting yourself in a dark suit.................. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Highlander Posted February 8, 2007 Report Share Posted February 8, 2007 Just another stealth tax, as they won't get away with increasing petrol duty much higher. Why not they get away with everything else...a b***** disgrace and we're stoopid enough to let them! These polls are just a sop to the masses as the one almighty thing this government doesn't do is LISTEN! If they want to bring it about they will...even to the point of changing a voting system to suit their purpose (Jack (commie *******) Straw's way of getting his way with the House of Lords). If this government get in for another term this country won't be worth living in even if we could afford it! Oh and by the way I HATE BLIAR! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
moeggesit Posted February 9, 2007 Author Report Share Posted February 9, 2007 a lot of good its going two do. I dont know if it will do any good but I do know that I cant afford another tax rise like that so it must be worth a try! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Teal Posted February 12, 2007 Report Share Posted February 12, 2007 1,225,000 signatures now, that's 2% of the country i think?! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Highlander Posted February 14, 2007 Report Share Posted February 14, 2007 I think this mornings news that Mr Bliar is planning to e-mail all those people (now well over 1000000) who signed the road charging petition to inform them all why road charging is a good idea proves the point/s...a) they don't really give a *** what anybody thinks, they've already made up their minds it's gonna be and c) they think that by giving the people a right to say no will keep us all quiet (unfortunately in that they might be right) This b***** government has got to go! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Axe Posted February 14, 2007 Report Share Posted February 14, 2007 I think they said on the news that the site is taking 2 signatures every second. Its definitely growing with it now approaching 1.5 million. If the Government ignore this now, they will be sealing thier own fate. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lord_seagrave Posted February 14, 2007 Report Share Posted February 14, 2007 Sorry all, but I didn't sign it. I think it's a good idea - with fewer vehicles on the roads it will cut pollution, and those that can still afford to drive will be strongly encouraged not to speed. I don't think it's naive of me to hope that it will assist in the detection of other crime as well as motor vehicle crime - check with Old Bill et al, but the current ANPR system is certainly a very effective piece of kit, and this tracking system promises to be even better. However, I would like to see, quite clearly, that all the extra revenue that this scheme generates is being used constructively. Regards, LS Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pin Posted February 14, 2007 Report Share Posted February 14, 2007 Do you drive LS? By which I mean every day, as your mode of transport to work and the like? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lord_seagrave Posted February 14, 2007 Report Share Posted February 14, 2007 I do drive, but I use publc transport to get to work. I do think private cars should be more heavily taxed and that their use should be discouraged. Regards, LS Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Axe Posted February 14, 2007 Report Share Posted February 14, 2007 (edited) I do drive, but I use publc transport to get to work. I do think private cars should be more heavily taxed and that their use should be discouraged. Regards, LS So you havent signed the petition and agree the government are right? Edit: Missed your previous post LS. Edited February 14, 2007 by Axe Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pin Posted February 14, 2007 Report Share Posted February 14, 2007 Would your opinion be somewhat different if, like me, the alternative method for getting to work was 2 buses, 2 trains and about 25 minutes walk for about an average of an hour and forty five minute journey (times 2) ? The lines used are plagued with delays, disruptions and cancellations with no sign of improvement despite inflation busting fare hikes and deliberately fixed pricing structure which makes no allowance for the occasional traveller. To me its simply not an option. Fair comment something needs to be done, but the real problem is people using their cars when a suitable alternative is cost effective and practical. Like people taking one kid to school in an SUV a mile up the road. Like people driving to the local shops rather than walking. Ban all cars from the roads one day in the working week, that's a 1/5th reduction in the number of cars which grows with the number of cars on the roads. With some 60million cars that's an instant reduction of 12million cars each day. Simply fine drivers a'la congestion charge with cameras/ANPR for driving on the wrong day and that's the problem solved. You can't advocate a unilateral stance when there is no viable alternative for many people Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lord_seagrave Posted February 14, 2007 Report Share Posted February 14, 2007 That's right Axe. I think that the capability to track and tax vehicles in accordance with their road usage is a good idea. I agree with this proposal. However, I also think that the money generated should be more transparently accounted for - and that it should be used to improve public transport services - something which this government have some difficulty with... Regards, LS Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
badsworth Posted February 14, 2007 Report Share Posted February 14, 2007 I'd love to sign but it won't let me! The site tells me that it has sent me an e-mail which I must click to confirm my vote. It tells me that if it doesn't show up to check my junk mail basket to make sure it has not gone there. It hasn't and I am stuffed! So much for healthy consultation! It cannot be my computer because it recorded my vote fine when I voted to support the pistol shooting team for the Olympics yesterday. Blair?? B........s!!!!!!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Axe Posted February 14, 2007 Report Share Posted February 14, 2007 I agree with Pin. If everyone stopped using their own transport and started using the pathetic public transport infrastructure we have, evrything would come to a grinding halt. Its in no way shape or form able to cope with that many people and what there is, is either expensive, unreliable or doesnt provide the coverage. For me to use public transport in order to get to work would mean an increase of spenditure by £60-100 and would also mean I would spend an additional 10 hours a week travelling. Many many people would face loosing their jobs as they wouldnt be able to get to work. Think about those less fortunate to live near by and have to travel widley just to work. I do agree that something needs to be done but to suggest that this is the right way of doing it, is utter nonsense. I'd love to sign but it won't let me! The site tells me that it has sent me an e-mail which I must click to confirm my vote. It tells me that if it doesn't show up to check my junk mail basket to make sure it has not gone there. It hasn't and I am stuffed! So much for healthy consultation! It cannot be my computer because it recorded my vote fine when I voted to support the pistol shooting team for the Olympics yesterday. Blair?? B........s!!!!!!!! It took 2 days for mine to come through and thats when it was fairly quiet. Perhaps the increase in traffic has slowed the system dramatically. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SNAKEBITE Posted February 14, 2007 Report Share Posted February 14, 2007 I can agree to a certain extent with both sides. I use a pushbike to get to work. Why? well it is cheap, keeps me fit, and means it is one less car to clog up the roads. Everyone can make an effort to use vechiles less and if anyone says they can't then they are either disabled, living in the middle of nowhere or just plain blooming lazy! Any revenue raised will not be ploughed back into the transport system and if this seals the fate of labour don't be surprised when the next shamble voted in leaves it in place because it will be "too expensive" to change. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pin Posted February 14, 2007 Report Share Posted February 14, 2007 Lol, i'd like to see you cycle 43 miles to work and back Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MC Posted February 14, 2007 Report Share Posted February 14, 2007 Sorry all, but I didn't sign it. I think it's a good idea - with fewer vehicles on the roads it will cut pollution, and those that can still afford to drive will be strongly encouraged not to speed. I don't think it's naive of me to hope that it will assist in the detection of other crime as well as motor vehicle crime - check with Old Bill et al, but the current ANPR system is certainly a very effective piece of kit, and this tracking system promises to be even better. However, I would like to see, quite clearly, that all the extra revenue that this scheme generates is being used constructively. Regards, LS What garbage, It will reduce congestion and pollution in the same way that doubling the toll at dartford will reduce cars crossing the thames. Something else to raise revenue is all it is, nothing more or less. Once again the motorist is an easy target. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Highlander Posted February 14, 2007 Report Share Posted February 14, 2007 Sorry all, but I didn't sign it. I think it's a good idea - with fewer vehicles on the roads it will cut pollution, and those that can still afford to drive will be strongly encouraged not to speed. I don't think it's naive of me to hope that it will assist in the detection of other crime as well as motor vehicle crime - check with Old Bill et al, but the current ANPR system is certainly a very effective piece of kit, and this tracking system promises to be even better. However, I would like to see, quite clearly, that all the extra revenue that this scheme generates is being used constructively. Regards, LS Now there walks a selfish man...apart from a host of arguements against you just what are those of us who live and work in the countryside supposed to do? Public transport is (almost) non existent here and as for transporting people, kit and everything bar the kitchen sink in anything other than a 4 x 4 without which where we live we'd need to go back to a horse and cart. Get real Oh and by the way, maybe farmers should rely on public transport to get YOUR food to market! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SNAKEBITE Posted February 14, 2007 Report Share Posted February 14, 2007 Lol, i'd like to see you cycle 43 miles to work and back Not saying I could but a chap who works at our Burgess Hill plant commutes from Littlehampton on a bike. Does a Rota 4 on 4 off system and cycles at least 2 of the days. Thats about 40 miles, each way. It can be done all it takes is the determination to do it. It is far easier to sit back and give reasons not to do something than it is to get up and do it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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