Underdog Posted June 10, 2014 Report Share Posted June 10, 2014 I am 5'9" and my bud is over 6' but has no worries, I wouldn't worry about it, a short rifle stock will always be better than a too long one any how. He use to shoot rabbits for me with his BSA bolt action and every now and then use my 9422, he had no trouble switching! If you shot it how did it shoot? Did you aim it? How did it sit on target? That is what I go off first, stock length is the last thing on my mind except when clearly too long! I was trying auto 22's at week end and went for the one that felt best and sat on target well, an old Winchester 74 that needs some TLC! £600 seems a lot but they are rare and highly regarded so will go up in value. It is a lot of money! I want a 9410 but they are stupid money now! I never shot a mag version but know someone whom had one and I remember him telling me how 200yd shots were not too difficult on the open sights B) ATB Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saddler Posted June 10, 2014 Report Share Posted June 10, 2014 (edited) I am 5'9" and my bud is over 6' but has no worries, I wouldn't worry about it, a short rifle stock will always be better than a too long one any how. He use to shoot rabbits for me with his BSA bolt action and every now and then use my 9422, he had no trouble switching! If you shot it how did it shoot? Did you aim it? How did it sit on target? That is what I go off first, stock length is the last thing on my mind except when clearly too long! I was trying auto 22's at week end and went for the one that felt best and sat on target well, an old Winchester 74 that needs some TLC! £600 seems a lot but they are rare and highly regarded so will go up in value. It is a lot of money! I want a 9410 but they are stupid money now! I never shot a mag version but know someone whom had one and I remember him telling me how 200yd shots were not too difficult on the open sights B) ATB Win 74 eh...I had one years back & scrapped it, but kept the stock & all the non FAC parts. Still have them around somewhere... Nice little .22's Edited June 10, 2014 by saddler Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theshootist Posted June 10, 2014 Report Share Posted June 10, 2014 (edited) I think I have already posted these pics on PW but if you will indulge me further, here is my Marlin 1895 SBL. ....sorry will try again later when off my phone! Edited June 10, 2014 by theshootist Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jam1e Posted June 10, 2014 Author Report Share Posted June 10, 2014 (edited) I am 5'9" and my bud is over 6' but has no worries, I wouldn't worry about it, a short rifle stock will always be better than a too long one any how. He use to shoot rabbits for me with his BSA bolt action and every now and then use my 9422, he had no trouble switching! If you shot it how did it shoot? Did you aim it? How did it sit on target? That is what I go off first, stock length is the last thing on my mind except when clearly too long! I was trying auto 22's at week end and went for the one that felt best and sat on target well, an old Winchester 74 that needs some TLC! £600 seems a lot but they are rare and highly regarded so will go up in value. It is a lot of money! I want a 9410 but they are stupid money now! I never shot a mag version but know someone whom had one and I remember him telling me how 200yd shots were not too difficult on the open sights B) ATB When I said play, I meant as in "rack it" and shoulder it, that sort of thing. As in get the general feel of it in the store. I'd love to have fired a few rounds through it! Like you say, then, the last thing on my mind would have been the l.o.p, at least until after firing a few rounds... With the limitations of only shouldering it, it then felt a little short for my arms..... I can see Roger's face now, if I'd have had the cheek to even suggest having a "test fire" before buying it! Kind of reminds me of the old, "Please Sir, can I have some more"?.............. more!!!!! Says Roger! As for the 9410, that is really spooky, as the sales assistant pointed out that exact model next to the 9422! What's the chances!?? I don't recall the cost though, although, as you can guess, it wouldn't be cheap anyhow, from both point of views!... atb Jamie Edited June 10, 2014 by jam1e Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jam1e Posted June 10, 2014 Author Report Share Posted June 10, 2014 I think I have already posted these pics on PW but if you will indulge me further, here is my Marlin 1895 SBL. ....sorry will try again later when off my phone! Just put one on google images, very nice indeed TS! Are they all 45-70? The one I looked at said it was a side ejection. Can you mount a scope if you wanted to? If so, have you tried that, and what is the accuracy like with one at around 100 yards? Cheers Jamie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Underdog Posted June 10, 2014 Report Share Posted June 10, 2014 Win 74 eh...I had one years back & scrapped it, but kept the stock & all the non FAC parts. Still have them around somewhere... Nice little .22's really! got the open sights? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saddler Posted June 10, 2014 Report Share Posted June 10, 2014 really! got the open sights? I'll try to locate the box of bits...not opened it for over 10 years... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theshootist Posted June 11, 2014 Report Share Posted June 11, 2014 Here we are: I have a set of weaver see though mounts and a 2-7x32 I can put on it: This is the only photo of a 100m group I have, you can see I suffered from some horizontal spread over 8-9 shots. Shooting it off a bench is not so much fun! I've had three round groups with them all touching, but i can't do that every time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theshootist Posted June 11, 2014 Report Share Posted June 11, 2014 Also, yes its just in .45-70. I'm shooting 405gn hard cast bullets. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Underdog Posted June 11, 2014 Report Share Posted June 11, 2014 Thats brill matey...always fancied one in 45-70... Great cartridge! Could you pack the gun up on a bench so you can shoot with a more verticle back? Makes a big difference....and slip some newspaper in your jacket...your shooting shoulder. What load? U.\0/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jam1e Posted June 11, 2014 Author Report Share Posted June 11, 2014 Also, yes its just in .45-70. I'm shooting 405gn hard cast bullets. Now that is a thing of beauty and power! And 405 grain!! Eeeck! How do you get on with the recoil? Nice groups to, what sort of distance were they shot at? Cheers Jamie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
moor man Posted June 11, 2014 Report Share Posted June 11, 2014 Here we are: I have a set of weaver see though mounts and a 2-7x32 I can put on it: Hi Shootist, beaut gun! What make is the rail with built in peep/ghost sight?..........just what im after for my marlin 1894c .357mag. I like to use a scope for field work but my lads like to use opens. I take it you recycle your lead, bit expensive otherwise ? I love the versatility of these guns! What load? Nice shooting BTW cheers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theshootist Posted June 11, 2014 Report Share Posted June 11, 2014 Thats brill matey...always fancied one in 45-70... Great cartridge! Could you pack the gun up on a bench so you can shoot with a more verticle back? Makes a big difference....and slip some newspaper in your jacket...your shooting shoulder. What load? U.\0/ I bought my fiance a Limbsaver strap on pad for clay shooting, I will try that next time. I would like to try one of those weighted sled type rests that I've seen advertized, but it would only be to see how well the rifle could group, I will be shooting this rifle standing up mostly! I don't have my little reloading book with me at the moment but these would have been a near maximum load of Reloader 7. Something like 40-42gn. From what I've read that's about as far as you can go without a gas check or a jacketed bullet. Now that is a thing of beauty and power! And 405 grain!! Eeeck! How do you get on with the recoil? Nice groups to, what sort of distance were they shot at? Cheers Jamie Recoil is stiff, but I am intending to get some of the Trailboss powder which is a large volume propellant so that smaller weights will full the case. For fun shooting I've got to find a mild load. 50 rds of top end 405 gn hard cast loads from a bench is a bit of a man test! This was at Minsterley's 100m range. Hi Shootist, beaut gun! What make is the rail with built in peep/ghost sight?..........just what im after for my marlin 1894c .357mag. I like to use a scope for field work but my lads like to use opens. I take it you recycle your lead, bit expensive otherwise ? I love the versatility of these guns! What load? Nice shooting BTW cheers. I don't know what make the weaver rail is. It comes already fitted to the SBL. Its basically a stainless 18.5" marlin guide gun with a full length magazine tube (6 round), a large loop lever and a rail and ghost ring sights. I don't yet recycle the lean no as I havn't got into casting my own bullets. Its something I'd like to do though. This is not something I'm shooting every week, if I were to shoot it more often I'd have to swap it for a .38 to cut the cost. http://www.gunmart.net/gun_review/marlin_model_1895_sbl/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saddler Posted June 11, 2014 Report Share Posted June 11, 2014 What make is the rail with built in peep/ghost sight?.......... XS is the maker, I have their Scout Mount on my Win 94 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
moor man Posted June 11, 2014 Report Share Posted June 11, 2014 (edited) XS is the maker, I have their Scout Mount on my Win 94 From whom did you purchase said item? I have a williams FP-336 peep sight that came with the gun which I dont really use, any ideas on value? Edited June 11, 2014 by moor man Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saddler Posted June 11, 2014 Report Share Posted June 11, 2014 From whom did you purchase said item? I have a williams FP-336 peep sight that came with the gun which I dont really use, any ideas on value? Purchased it directly from the States...via Brownells https://www.xssights.com/Products.aspx?CAT=8196 The used Williams may be specific to the 336 model rifle...best check online to see if any have sold recently...I'd guess from £40 up Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Underdog Posted June 11, 2014 Report Share Posted June 11, 2014 Saddler has it right...about £40+. Thats a fair dollop of rl7...must be a near max for that action. Some American freinds use a pure lead bullet and black powder equiv loads. The soft lead bumps up nice on deer! Not been Minsterly for ages! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
moor man Posted June 11, 2014 Report Share Posted June 11, 2014 Purchased it directly from the States...via Brownells https://www.xssights.com/Products.aspx?CAT=8196 The used Williams may be specific to the 336 model rifle...best check online to see if any have sold recently...I'd guess from £40 up Thanks for the link saddler, the williams peep came fitted to my marlin 1894c, just tried ringing SYSS ( rimfiremagic) re their williams 'Ace in the hole' and a possible trade in, no reply as yet. On closer inspection my peep is the model below. They list the Williams FP-336 TK (target knob) at £65 and the rail @ £55 so will wait to see what they say, dont ask dont get etc. Udog-thanks.. Not sure I could afford to run a 45-70 without home loading for it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theshootist Posted June 11, 2014 Report Share Posted June 11, 2014 I've not found off the shelf .45-70 anywhere in the UK, except maybe the specialist poly tip jobbies that would be special order. It seems to be an easy cal to reload for though. Mine is just targets but I can't see why it wouldn't make an excellent deer rifle (although I would be unlikely to meet Scottish minimum velocity requirements). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jam1e Posted June 12, 2014 Author Report Share Posted June 12, 2014 As moorman has said, I dread to think of the cost of reloading a 45-70! In the Gunmart review link the cost of the Hornady rounds were over £2.00 each!! :o Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Underdog Posted June 12, 2014 Report Share Posted June 12, 2014 Pure lead can be used if you keep to class 1 loads! For hunting it would be cheap. Then there is the round ball loads for it! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theshootist Posted June 14, 2014 Report Share Posted June 14, 2014 Roding Armoury sell lubed 405gn hard cast bullets at £160/1000. Its expensive compared to pistol ammo but not a .308 target rifle. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Liamey Posted June 15, 2014 Report Share Posted June 15, 2014 Can't go wrong with either Winchester or marlin. The 45-70 is a great cartridge which I reload frequently. I use my 45-70 for Moose and never had an issue with cycling etc. marlin I believe was taken over so the rifles have the name only. I was led to believe during the transition of the marlin factory disgruntled employees who were not relocating didn't do the best job with assembly. I also heard that the new factory had jig issues etc leading to qc issues. Next on my list is the marlin express cartridge. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phaedra1106 Posted June 15, 2014 Report Share Posted June 15, 2014 (edited) Remingtons takeover of Marlin in 2007 caused some truly appalling rifles to be produced. Unfortunately problems still continue though not to the same scale as the first 5 years. If you're looking for one try and get a pre-Remlin version (stamped JM) or a post 2012 version, these will be REP stamped. For post 2011 models Remington started stamping using the Remington date code system, http://www.remingtonsociety.com/rsa/questions/barrelcodes Alternatively do the decent thing and buy a proper underlever, a nice Henry Edited June 15, 2014 by phaedra1106 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jam1e Posted June 16, 2014 Author Report Share Posted June 16, 2014 Remingtons takeover of Marlin in 2007 caused some truly appalling rifles to be produced. Unfortunately problems still continue though not to the same scale as the first 5 years. If you're looking for one try and get a pre-Remlin version (stamped JM) or a post 2012 version, these will be REP stamped. For post 2011 models Remington started stamping using the Remington date code system, http://www.remingtonsociety.com/rsa/questions/barrelcodes Alternatively do the decent thing and buy a proper underlever, a nice Henry That's a beauty Phaedra! .44 Cal?? Does the receiver have dove tails as I notice that isn't a standard type mount? And how do they compare prisewise, like for like with a Marlin? I had a look at a new Henry the same time I looked at a Win 9422 last week. The Henry looked beautifully made, but i don't recall the price tag. atb Jamie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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