propercartridges Posted July 27, 2014 Author Report Share Posted July 27, 2014 re garding post 50 on this thread so basically I will trade them to him so he can still retail at the 189 price and the hi speed at the 209 but theres nothing left in the 30 gram at 169 honestly the vat man is getting more from those than me thanks george Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
propercartridges Posted July 27, 2014 Author Report Share Posted July 27, 2014 hi all please read post 70 what this thread is about one email to me so I know who I am talking too and all of your request in simple order as if you are going to buy them else where and all your contact details please thank you all George mail@george-young.fsnet.co.uk Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rbrowning2 Posted July 27, 2014 Report Share Posted July 27, 2014 mr browning on post 50 I see a trade list on the 32 gram pigeon he is 169 def tell him to ring me and forget about the pigeon label my 32 will kill pheasant patrige any thing that's why I don't put any thing on the box have them in 5 and 6 well lets see if all this work amounts to anything thanks george George, I don't think it is that simple for the shop, they need a one-stop manufacture to buy in quantity all they want. They don't just want the limited three 12ga cartridges you are so far so keen to sell. They get a mixed load eg some pigeon carts, lot's of clay carts in different spec and loads (28gm 24gm,21gm) may be a few non-toxic and then game cartridges and all in a mix of gauges, 12ga, 20ga, 28ga, .410. and a couple of makes oh and yes in plastic and fibre wads - I expect that soon adds up to 25,000 for best discount but it is very unlikely to be just 25,000 pigeon/game in 12ga plastic. (not sure they even stock game in plastic, would need to look or ask) Fiocchi is one they stock and is normally the cheapest but was not the price list I got to see. You need as several posts have suggested to publish a full list of what you can offer and why not follow what other manufacture do, get them in the shops. If your trade prices are so much better than the current offering then why would the shops not welcome you with open arms? why not speak to Webber another trade member on the forum? As the years go by I am shooting less and with smaller gauges which offer good savings by reloading and normally only buy cartridges when I need replacement cases so I would not make you rich Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
propercartridges Posted July 27, 2014 Author Report Share Posted July 27, 2014 I thank you for the above but this is not a market you can jump straight into it takes time we all hear of mr munjack from express they say he started in his garage or outside buildings you are correct the amount of shops who need diferent types is correct but let me tell you that . is for no other reason to save carrage on the pallet I have my carts out there all 13,000,000 but to be fair is over 4 years I am not pushing myself when I do start you will know don't worry so I am in the position where I choose what I want to make as I have said I do not label pigeon carts pheasant carts or whatever my 32 gram and I have been using them to day will kill any like for like bird on this planet any way you told me about a shopkeeper so I gave him a offer he has said why on the mixture basis but I am selling many pallets of carts on a one off deal so for the time I will stay where I am and move along at my own pace latley I have done 2 round trips and met about 15 new customers the money I have spent on pigeon watch is the first I have spent on advertising so that's it I will keep plugging away thanks all george Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TIGHTCHOKE Posted July 27, 2014 Report Share Posted July 27, 2014 Good luck George I hope this takes off and we get your cartridges available all over the country. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
propercartridges Posted July 27, 2014 Author Report Share Posted July 27, 2014 mr tightchoke soon to be going to Hampshire to see a shop he has told me ok for 10k also 15 k for coningsby and 5 k for bourne using a hi lux how many do you want is wittering where that aeroplane is on a stick in the middle of a roundabout??? thanks george Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TIGHTCHOKE Posted July 27, 2014 Report Share Posted July 27, 2014 PM on its way George Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rbrowning2 Posted July 27, 2014 Report Share Posted July 27, 2014 George, Roman was not built in a day, so what you say makes sense for what you currently want to offer and by selling a quality product direct to individuals at a competitive price you will have limited success. But if your goal is to achieve sales across the country via retail shops then more is required. With only so much retail space in each gun shop you may need a bigger range or a unique selling point (USP) before you are likely to displace an established existing suppliers products and occupy that limited space in shops across the country. Some forum posts have given you excellent feedback for a USP e.g. 12ga 28gm #6 (or #6.5?) plastic and fibre cartridges at say £159 and £169 retail however only you know if this is profitable for you. Good luck. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
propercartridges Posted July 27, 2014 Author Report Share Posted July 27, 2014 we done 86000 this week I got them before any body else that weekly is knocking on the door of 5 million yearly don't worry its me hobby and its working plus meeting new people and a bit of new shooting here and there balls to the rat race I can see them now stuck in office nearest they get to a pigeon is looking out the window over kings cross old Chinese proverb go to the money or you wait longer for it coming to you just noticed your bit 12 gauge 28 gram at 169 well look I am doing 30 gram at that price what a bargain thanks george Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Old farrier Posted July 27, 2014 Report Share Posted July 27, 2014 Hi Appreciate the price on 30 gram loads but lot of clay grounds rules in comps ect 24..28 gram And I still prefer to buy 1000 I can shoot any wear over 250 I can't You could try marketing a good clay load straight to the clay grounds Just a thought All the best Of Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rbrowning2 Posted July 27, 2014 Report Share Posted July 27, 2014 (edited) £169 for fibre not plastic in the shop, but it looks possible? And then you would have a USP shops would have to think hard about. Your branding looks good and the comments from forum members who have used your cartridge is also good, so you are all systems go. Some hobby 86000 a week I am happy with a 100 reloads Edited July 27, 2014 by rbrowning2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rbrowning2 Posted July 27, 2014 Report Share Posted July 27, 2014 Hi Appreciate the price on 30 gram loads but lot of clay grounds rules in comps ect 24..28 gram And I still prefer to buy 1000 I can shoot any wear over 250 I can't You could try marketing a good clay load straight to the clay grounds Just a thought All the best Of Yet more excellent feedback from Old Farrier - most companies would spend vast somes to get this sort of customer feedback. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rbrowning2 Posted July 27, 2014 Report Share Posted July 27, 2014 old Chinese proverb go to the money or you wait longer for it coming to you and as my boss used to say when we missed sales targets you can take a horse to water but you cannot make it drink or ............... your fired Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
propercartridges Posted July 27, 2014 Author Report Share Posted July 27, 2014 (edited) vast sums this is costing me 2 pounds per day who do you think I am rockerfella that's what me granda would say ok if its 28 gram you lot want now how about 6 but be carefull on shot size for cpsa I think on cpsa is 6.5 I am here to make carts and I love sold orders so make your mind up you lot I haven't got 6.5 at the mo unless you want copper shot so I have 6 or 7 I am running machine this week with 2.6 mm in 28 gram in 67 mm case in plastic for the hard up grouse boys only 20 000 pounds for 100 brace that's 100 quid apiece and 17 pence to shut it once got invited loading so the grouse come he missed and I got 2 he said that's not the way it works George coz he was paying so he woulnt load for me so that's it chaps will speak soon get your orders in thank you george Edited July 27, 2014 by propercartridges Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rbrowning2 Posted July 27, 2014 Report Share Posted July 27, 2014 George, Like your sense of humour but this is a public forum anybody can read it don't push the self destruct button my upsetting or insulting your customers Plastic wads on a grouse more is that PC? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
propercartridges Posted July 27, 2014 Author Report Share Posted July 27, 2014 point taken they know what I am like serious business this have you never taken the micky out of any one you have to have a laugh mind they give me some gip also but they also know what I am worth and what I have is bought and paid for but I am here to sell carts so lets not get political and straight laced about it I know how far to go but thanks for the tip george Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
propercartridges Posted July 27, 2014 Author Report Share Posted July 27, 2014 white bridges where are you in Norfolk I get down there quite a lot hunstanton Norwich watton great massingham pm me if you want thanks george Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whitebridges Posted July 27, 2014 Report Share Posted July 27, 2014 but they also know what I am worth and what I have is bought and paid for carts so lets not get political ..l So what are you worth then George? What is it you've bought? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whitebridges Posted July 27, 2014 Report Share Posted July 27, 2014 white bridges where are you in Norfolk I get down there quite a lot hunstanton Norwich watton great massingham pm me if you want thanks george I got your message George. Watton and Norwich easy for me . When are you next down this way? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
propercartridges Posted July 27, 2014 Author Report Share Posted July 27, 2014 mr browning the machine runs 12000 per hour but we slow it down to 10 000 hope fully it runs and runs its covered with sensors the only thing I don't control is the ink and honest the times I run out is unbelievable so those with no ink on go to georges bag but to be very serious what we done last week would just amount to one good days work as long as you did not run out of things please belive me that number in the cart world is nothing nothing at all you see the big boys are all geared up for more than that that machine of mine can make 4 a second or nigh as you can that's why people say to me George is it a hobby? thanks george Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
propercartridges Posted July 27, 2014 Author Report Share Posted July 27, 2014 white bridges will keep you informed on my next visit thanks george Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TIGHTCHOKE Posted July 28, 2014 Report Share Posted July 28, 2014 Order placed this morning. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
propercartridges Posted July 28, 2014 Author Report Share Posted July 28, 2014 thanks for that will probably try for the weekend thanks george Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
figgy Posted July 28, 2014 Report Share Posted July 28, 2014 George I'll be interested in some 28 g 7 shot for clays and game or even 6.5 shot. Fast and smooth is the order of the day. Hit some great long clays with the Proper Little Devils on Sunday a high quartering driven type target at around sixty yards and very good breaks. Figgy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mick miller Posted July 28, 2014 Report Share Posted July 28, 2014 Do you ever go through East Hertfordshire or the M11 (Bishops Stortford)? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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