brian1975 Posted July 26, 2014 Report Share Posted July 26, 2014 Like the title says my dad has just been given some of a guy whos given up the shooting and there made in the USSR and he says there old i was just wondering 1 what they are like and 2. are they worth anything or are they collectable or out or should i just use them he only got 2 boxes of 25 Thank you's in advance for any advice Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hamster Posted July 26, 2014 Report Share Posted July 26, 2014 Not worth enough to worry but they're loud, punchy and will kill well. Just about the best looking pattern I ever shot ( in terms if equal spread of shot) was with a 32g load of Rekord 7's Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fenboy Posted July 26, 2014 Report Share Posted July 26, 2014 They will have little value , use them you will be amazed and you dentist will be a happy man Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aga man Posted July 26, 2014 Report Share Posted July 26, 2014 http://forums.pigeonwatch.co.uk/forums/topic/267530-baikal-record-cartridges-12g-no4/?hl=%2Bbaikal+%2Brecord Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Floating Chamber Posted July 26, 2014 Report Share Posted July 26, 2014 Cannon fire! Orange muzzle flash! Echoes that go on for ages through the countryside! Happy days for me in the 1960s when they were packed in 10s and Head stamped 'AZOT' and later, in the 1970s when the 'BAIKAL' head stamp emerged. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brian1975 Posted July 26, 2014 Author Report Share Posted July 26, 2014 Thank yous all for replies can't wait to try them out now they've got the baikal stamp on them and there trap/skeet number 7's super record black case they've got no weight on the so no idea what weight they are any thoughts thanks guys Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Floating Chamber Posted July 26, 2014 Report Share Posted July 26, 2014 Probably 32 gram. I have one or two black ones about. I'll weigh the shot tomorrow. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
propercartridges Posted July 26, 2014 Report Share Posted July 26, 2014 brian 1975 bring them to me and I will test them for you and show you around George tel 07714 323 909 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hoggysreels Posted July 26, 2014 Report Share Posted July 26, 2014 I used a few a couple of years ago, evening was creeping in. It was like l'd fired a surface to air missle at a Hamas rocket ... the louded cartridges lve ever used. Stalingrad all over again! ... big on fun factor! ... use and enjoy the pyrotechnic display ... atb Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brian1975 Posted July 27, 2014 Author Report Share Posted July 27, 2014 brian 1975 bring them to me and I will test them for you and show you around George tel 07714 323 909 Thanks for the offer George where are you based if you don't want to say on the open forum PM me and al let you no 1 way or t'other cheers Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Les*1066 Posted July 27, 2014 Report Share Posted July 27, 2014 They sound like a bit of a handful! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
propercartridges Posted July 27, 2014 Report Share Posted July 27, 2014 brian just ring its easy dipton near consett you r local bring your cert and I will let you have some of mine to try if they r no good bring them back with the lead for your money back thanks george Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brian1975 Posted July 27, 2014 Author Report Share Posted July 27, 2014 brian just ring its easy dipton near consett you r local bring your cert and I will let you have some of mine to try if they r no good bring them back with the lead for your money back thanks george Thanks George thats a kind offer but I'll probably just go out and try them as a mate of mine says he's used them before, also do you supply bywell with proper cartridges just wondering if there the same as am after a good all rounder cart that'll be good for killing clay's to pheasants if there's such a cart out there Thank you in advance that does'nt mean to say that i might not visit you as av got your number Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fortune Posted July 27, 2014 Report Share Posted July 27, 2014 (edited) It would be interesting to have the cartridge componants and performance analized by George at Proper cartridges. loads of people used them and by the memories a lot liked them. Memories. I wrote the following in one of the baikal cartridge threads before>>. Back in the 80s, a guy I worked with said that he used Baikal’s and I laughed at him and told him that a shooter I know had said that they were evil, he’d more than likely shake his gun to pieces. He replied that they were all right. The next time I saw him he gave me a pack of ten which sort of split like a book with five in each side. He said, “Give em a try”. I thanked him for the thought. These Baikal’s were pale pink plastic tubed and I tried them against Eley Grand Prix in my lightweight AyA 25 boxlock. I had never actually seen anyone use them so I gave them a go. I expected “from the rumours” hard recoil but was pleasantly surprised by their smooth performance and hard-hitting power. They were different to the grand prix in the fact that the Grand Prix’s were a sharp crack and recoil whereby the baikals were more of a bang and a smoother push recoil akin to black powder. On the strength of our experience with them my mate and I bought a thousand to try out some more and they were cheap. When I got them home I opened the pack and the cartridge tubes were Black not pale pink. The next weekend we were out on patrol armed with my AyA 25 and my mate with his Franchi Hunter 5 shot auto. A lone high Pigeon came over and I said to my mate “Watch this boy”. I wasn’t wrong only not how I envisaged it. There was a great big red/pink muzzle flash about six foot long shaped like a candle flame and an almighty bang. There were bits of glowing paper fluttering down on the wind. I was kind of knocked off balance and my ears rang. I thought that I had had a barrel blockage and the gun had blown up. The bird had been taken by what looked like a full choke 8 bore. I’m sure that the propellant that had been used was left over from Russian anti aircraft shell production. My mate loved using them in his Franchi Hunter with its long recoil action and long barrel. He used to take pigeons and duck that were so high that you had time to roll a fag before they came down. Well it seemed like it took that long. I’ve still got a few of the paper reds in a box somewhere. . I couldn’t shoot those blacks and swapped them with my mate. He loved using them. IF the pink ones were available I’d still buy them, as they seemed like a good cheap hard-hitting cartridge. PS. Another cartridge that we thought was really good and would love to have analized as to performance figures and components would be the little club 20 from Rottweil with the black plastic tubes. they were outstanding. Edited July 27, 2014 by fortune Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
propercartridges Posted July 27, 2014 Report Share Posted July 27, 2014 brian the problem is the shot size the cart will do most thing what its ment for and that is to kill now shot down to about 6 will smash a clay and also kill game and pigeon but for me I would not go above a 7 so go on that but then you r stuck to 28 gram from the clay side but does your fancie stick to clays or game that bit is for you yes I have a few in bywell give them a ring thanks george Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brian1975 Posted July 28, 2014 Author Report Share Posted July 28, 2014 brian the problem is the shot size the cart will do most thing what its ment for and that is to kill now shot down to about 6 will smash a clay and also kill game and pigeon but for me I would not go above a 7 so go on that but then you r stuck to 28 gram from the clay side but does your fancie stick to clays or game that bit is for you yes I have a few in bywell give them a ring thanks george K George thanks you no how you were saying about testing the carts how many would you need for the test as i can keep some back for you and maybe you could make some if there good and it seems like it be a trip down memeory lane for a few people on here like fortune says thanks Brian oh just out of intrest do you have a web site for your carts cheers Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
strangford wildfowler Posted July 28, 2014 Report Share Posted July 28, 2014 Fireworks is a good way to describe them Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
propercartridges Posted July 28, 2014 Report Share Posted July 28, 2014 for a straight in test I shoot 6 for look and see then I can condition as many as you want in the conditioner at 21 degrees normaly for one clear day put mon shoot wed I am looking for speed but mainly pressure then see what I have which is of the shelf or work up the quantity then put on machine and make the disired amount then hold out my hand for your money thanks George mind no free 3 samples you only get 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brian1975 Posted July 28, 2014 Author Report Share Posted July 28, 2014 for a straight in test I shoot 6 for look and see then I can condition as many as you want in the conditioner at 21 degrees normaly for one clear day put mon shoot wed I am looking for speed but mainly pressure then see what I have which is of the shelf or work up the quantity then put on machine and make the disired amount then hold out my hand for your money thanks George mind no free 3 samples you only get 2 K George al have a think about it but i tried them at ma mates the day who likes your cartridges by the way and i killed a crow at about 40yrds ish and they seemed to fire ok no harsher than any other cart av fired quite a loud bang though and the samples is that 2 boxes or 2 carts lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TIDES EDGE Posted July 28, 2014 Report Share Posted July 28, 2014 Dont worry about the shot size , if you open one you will find every shot size you can think of and some of it might even be round but boy do they kill well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
propercartridges Posted July 28, 2014 Report Share Posted July 28, 2014 hello brian I have a libiary of carts from all over and I log all my ballistics but I do not have any of these so its interesting from both sides samples I will see what I can do but I am nearly blind thanks george Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brian1975 Posted July 29, 2014 Author Report Share Posted July 29, 2014 hello brian I have a libiary of carts from all over and I log all my ballistics but I do not have any of these so its interesting from both sides samples I will see what I can do but I am nearly blind thanks george k george no botha al see what i can do and i've got good eye sight so al keep you right on the free samples front hehehehe ;-) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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