merseapaul Posted August 30, 2014 Report Share Posted August 30, 2014 (edited) Anybody had problems with eley subs live rounds not extracting from cz452 22lr?. Edited August 30, 2014 by merseapaul Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beesley121 Posted August 30, 2014 Report Share Posted August 30, 2014 Is is a semi auto or bolt action? Extractor would be the first place I would look, may have snapped or worn Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fruity Posted August 30, 2014 Report Share Posted August 30, 2014 As above ,give everything a good clean and check for damage/wear on the extraction claw I use eley subs constantly in mine and never had a single issue Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scully Posted August 30, 2014 Report Share Posted August 30, 2014 If the lube is quite waxy then a build up of this can often be the reason for poor extraction. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
merseapaul Posted August 30, 2014 Author Report Share Posted August 30, 2014 452 is bolt action. I tried several types of ammo like you do when I first got except eley. I settled on winchester and cci as there is nothing between them in my rifle both extract fine live and spent and had no problems with either. Got eley to try just for a change as heard good things about them then read somewhere they don't extract live very well so loaded 5 in mag and 1st failed to extract straight away!. I removed and tried two more different and three from another box but still the same. I loaded 5 winchester and 5 cci in mag, chambered and extracted 10 straight no problems. Extractor obviously ok, all clean just guess my rifle does not like them. Don't no about empty yet as not fired any so will be interesting. Probably get quarter inch group at 100 yards knowing my luck just won't be able to extract casses 😂 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
team tractor Posted August 30, 2014 Report Share Posted August 30, 2014 I gave some eleys away recently as they wouldn't extract. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
samboy Posted August 30, 2014 Report Share Posted August 30, 2014 (edited) Ive had this recently with Win subs on my 452 bolt action, i cleaned the extracter claws and all is ok now, Over the years crud had formed behind the claws. I will clean them more often now. Ive tried a few brands but i will stick with Wins because im happy with them. Edited August 30, 2014 by samboy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
merseapaul Posted August 30, 2014 Author Report Share Posted August 30, 2014 Had close inspection and found after manually extracting them they all have shiny ring around lead shoulder so measured around cci and winchester and they are a fraction smaller around this area!. Can't tell exactly how much because me fine dial on vernier seen better days. If bullet is a little tight then should be ok extracting after firing I hope. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wymberley Posted August 30, 2014 Report Share Posted August 30, 2014 If the lube is quite waxy then a build up of this can often be the reason for poor extraction. +1 Same problem, same cause with the Anschutz. Also the bullets measured 0.225-6 thou' which probably didn't help. Firing them off was the only sensible way to get them out. Try SK and see if they suit your rifle. These are oily as opposed to waxy and it doesn't take a few seconds to wipe down a carton full. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
merseapaul Posted August 30, 2014 Author Report Share Posted August 30, 2014 The lube never had a chance to build up, it was the 1st one I chambered!. I will see how they shoot and unless I get tight group and spent extract ok will stick to cci and winchester. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
merseapaul Posted September 1, 2014 Author Report Share Posted September 1, 2014 Used box today side by side cci and winchester. No problems extracting after shot and very good grouping, far better than winchester and very slightly better than cci. They are now my first choice with cci back up. Anyone want to swap two new boxes of winchester subs for eley or cci subs?. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wymberley Posted September 1, 2014 Report Share Posted September 1, 2014 Used box today side by side cci and winchester. No problems extracting after shot and very good grouping, far better than winchester and very slightly better than cci. They are now my first choice with cci back up. Anyone want to swap two new boxes of winchester subs for eley or cci subs?. Might just pay to be careful, Paul, if you get distracted while packing up and particularly in the dark. They were the most accurate for me but I got fed up cleaning off the muck and when they started to fail to extract that was it. Tried the SK and they were even better accuracy wise so won't be going back to Eley. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
merseapaul Posted September 1, 2014 Author Report Share Posted September 1, 2014 Might just pay to be careful, Paul, if you get distracted while packing up and particularly in the dark. They were the most accurate for me but I got fed up cleaning off the muck and when they started to fail to extract that was it. Tried the SK and they were even better accuracy wise so won't be going back to Eley. Thanks mate, I Don't think I have seen sk in my local shop. What do you mean by cleaning off the muck?. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wymberley Posted September 1, 2014 Report Share Posted September 1, 2014 Thanks mate, I Don't think I have seen sk in my local shop. What do you mean by cleaning off the muck?. The lubricant - although "muck" is a better term IMO - it does build up as said and needs clearing particularly from the extractor groove area. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
merseapaul Posted September 1, 2014 Author Report Share Posted September 1, 2014 I will keep an eye out for it. As far as rounds go anything I can't use straight out box and have to clean/ wipe down before use can stay in the shops!. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Essex Keeper Posted September 1, 2014 Report Share Posted September 1, 2014 Having a night mare with them and my cz tried everything so far Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wymberley Posted September 1, 2014 Report Share Posted September 1, 2014 . As far as rounds go anything I can't use straight out box and have to clean/ wipe down before use can stay in the shops!. Yep. I've probably been a tad unfair to SK, speaking from my own point of view. Older members will understand when this 70 year old says he's now suffering from 'dropsy' - things tend to end up on the floor quite frequently. The SK are oily but there's no real need to wipe them off unless you're like me and they tend to slip through your fingers like quick-silver. Damnit! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
merseapaul Posted September 1, 2014 Author Report Share Posted September 1, 2014 Yep. I've probably been a tad unfair to SK, speaking from my own point of view. Older members will understand when this 70 year old says he's now suffering from 'dropsy' - things tend to end up on the floor quite frequently. The SK are oily but there's no real need to wipe them off unless you're like me and they tend to slip through your fingers like quick-silver. Damnit! Bless you, I hope I'm still shooting at your age. Why don't you get a few more magazines and bribe a younger family member to load them for you Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Amazed Posted September 1, 2014 Report Share Posted September 1, 2014 Loving eley at the min don't clean them just strait from the box. No probs. really quiet as well. Not a CZ using a savage mk 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rst1990 Posted September 2, 2014 Report Share Posted September 2, 2014 All I use is eley subs not a problem with any round. I'm using a cz455 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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