deadeye18 Posted October 9, 2014 Report Share Posted October 9, 2014 Hello everyone.ok here goes last year i inherited a stunning 1909 dated imperial german g98 mauser rifle that was smoothbored to 410 in the late 60s or 1970s.no other work was done to it and heres my worry i just got a 410 no4 lee enfield and the magazine on that was cut and a plate welded to where the mag follower would have been,are all converted military arms done like this now?if so does that make my mauser fall foul of the law?i really dont want the mauser to be messed about with so anyone with any advice id be gratefull.would its antique age mean i wouldnt have to have it butchered?the magazine is useless with 410 ammo anyway and so only use it single shot anyway i must add.it would be a crying shame to have this piece of history cut and welded. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wymberley Posted October 9, 2014 Report Share Posted October 9, 2014 First question must be was it certificated before you got it? If so, then as nothing has changed within 12 months, whatever it was then, 'tis now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deadeye18 Posted October 9, 2014 Author Report Share Posted October 9, 2014 Hi wymberly it was on my dads sgc then it was transferred onto my sgc just before he died last year.im just worried that when my renewall comes next year the police will see one welded and one not then order me to sort it.like i said before i really dont want it cut or welded :-/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wymberley Posted October 9, 2014 Report Share Posted October 9, 2014 Hi wymberly it was on my dads sgc then it was transferred onto my sgc just before he died last year.im just worried that when my renewall comes next year the police will see one welded and one not then order me to sort it.like i said before i really dont want it cut or welded :-/ Worry not. Your force will have that transaction recorded and classified as a shotgun (ie not Sect.1). Any different and they're going to have to admit that they've made a mistake - the same one several times - unlikely they'd want to do that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deadeye18 Posted October 9, 2014 Author Report Share Posted October 9, 2014 Good point cheers!its derbyshire force. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welshwarrior Posted October 9, 2014 Report Share Posted October 9, 2014 Can the 410 cartridges fit into the magazine? If not and the fact the police have recorded it as a shotgun you should be fine. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deadeye18 Posted October 9, 2014 Author Report Share Posted October 9, 2014 Hi yes you can get cartridges in the mag but they dont sit right at all because originally the rifle was 7.92mm rimless ammo.they dont cycle properly when the bolts worked either they just get stuck. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phaedra1106 Posted October 9, 2014 Report Share Posted October 9, 2014 The law is very clear, if it can hold more than 3 cartridges (of any sort) it's a section 1, the fact it can't cycle them won't be a good enough reason to have it as a section 2. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deadeye18 Posted October 9, 2014 Author Report Share Posted October 9, 2014 Cheers for the help fellas.gonna get it sorted. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welshwarrior Posted October 9, 2014 Report Share Posted October 9, 2014 The law is very clear, if it can hold more than 3 cartridges (of any sort) it's a section 1, the fact it can't cycle them won't be a good enough reason to have it as a section 2. That was my point and if they can fit the feed rails could be opened to make it feed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deadeye18 Posted October 9, 2014 Author Report Share Posted October 9, 2014 Youd have thought the police would have said something about it on their last home visit a couple of years ago.the receipt for the gun was in dads cabinet he paid a whole 4 pounds 10 pence for it! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jaymo Posted October 9, 2014 Report Share Posted October 9, 2014 Sleeping dogs and all that- ok , so the not the definative legsl answer but take it from me there are loads of these type of .410's kicking around that FLO's are happy with. There are other questionable firearms out there and always will. So, personally I would not have a pronlem with it due to its history of not being questioned in the past . Just my tuppance worth which with inflation is prob worth nowt Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HDAV Posted October 9, 2014 Report Share Posted October 9, 2014 The law is very clear, if it can hold more than 3 cartridges (of any sort) it's a section 1, the fact it can't cycle them won't be a good enough reason to have it as a section 2. That's not correct! The magazine must be attached and not able to hold more than 2 shells of the proof length. The 1 in the chamber is not relevant neither is the one on the lifter (ghost loading) Has it been proofed? It probably should have gone to proof house in 87 but slipped through. The law is very clear, if it can hold more than 3 cartridges (of any sort) it's a section 1, the fact it can't cycle them won't be a good enough reason to have it as a section 2. That's not correct! The magazine must be attached and not able to hold more than 2 shells of the proof length. The 1 in the chamber is not relevant neither is the one on the lifter (ghost loading) Has it been proofed? It probably should have gone to proof house in 87 but slipped through. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deadeye18 Posted October 9, 2014 Author Report Share Posted October 9, 2014 The only proofs are the original imperial german army ones and 1 set of english proofs from when it was smoothbored to 410. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy H Posted October 9, 2014 Report Share Posted October 9, 2014 If it was converted before 1988 then the magazine will not be restricted as it was not required , open it up and remove the magazine spring and replace it with a spacer that holds the follower in a fully up position , That way nobody is the wiser. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deadeye18 Posted October 9, 2014 Author Report Share Posted October 9, 2014 Andyh thats an excellent idea!cheers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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