the crowman Posted December 30, 2014 Report Share Posted December 30, 2014 Any good for messing about with.......got to be worth the £15. Cheers Mark Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welsh1 Posted December 30, 2014 Report Share Posted December 30, 2014 What model is that mate, I have a Canon EOS 40d and it is a great camera,if you got that for £15 I will buy it from you for £30. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
four-wheel-drive Posted December 30, 2014 Report Share Posted December 30, 2014 The problem is unless you are really in to photography cameras that use film are very expensive to use I got one a while ago but got rid of it as it is so simple to use a digital one snap as much as you like and just download on to the computer but having said that some people do still love using the old film ones. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the crowman Posted December 30, 2014 Author Report Share Posted December 30, 2014 (edited) What model is that mate, I have a Canon EOS 40d and it is a great camera,if you got that for £15 I will buy it from you for £30............ It's the EOS 50E with sigma UC Aspherical 28-200mm zoom lens Edited December 30, 2014 by the crowman Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brett1985 Posted December 30, 2014 Report Share Posted December 30, 2014 the lens would be worth more than that on its own. buy it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aris Posted December 30, 2014 Report Share Posted December 30, 2014 Between 20-40 pounds for the body if you put it on eBay - depending on condition. Lens is still relevant - it is an EF mount lens, so theoretically compatible with current cameras. I say theoretically because it is a non-canon lens, and sometimes protocol incompatibilities cropped up with later cameras. Not always fixable with a firmware update, but usually not an issue. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chady Posted December 30, 2014 Report Share Posted December 30, 2014 It is not a dig at you so please don't take it as it is Just my opinion. I was big into my black and white photography. I had my own dark room the lot and I loved it. Came out of it when I bought my first house, as I did not have the time. Years went by and my mum died and left me 2000 So I bought a canon 7d. And the rest of the kit. (It was bought 2nd hand) 12months later! It was all sold luckly I just about broke even on it so it didn't cost me any thing. I have never been board so stiff from sitting on a computer program making compleatly false photos! Then filling them away never to look at them again. There are some good points about the digital age. 1 - cost 2 - space I.e not having to store lots of photos. But with film, you had to know and use the camera it was a skill. As some cases there are know second chances. None of this attitude it's ok I shoot in raw. Photoshop will sort it. Oh it doesn't mater I can create any thing you like even put people in the photo that Was not there. Digital is good and cleaver. But it's not photography. But then it's all down to what you want from it. But if you talk to pros from pre digital age they all say the same. The problem is unless you are really in to photography cameras that use film are very expensive to use I got one a while ago but got rid of it as it is so simple to use a digital one snap as much as you like and just download on to the computer but having said that some people do still love using the old film ones. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aris Posted December 30, 2014 Report Share Posted December 30, 2014 I hear where you are coming from achady - I too have loads of darkroom equipment in the loft. I have fond memories of the smell of developer and fixer - going into the darkroom, and coming out and seeing the sun rise - oops! try not to fall asleep in class! To say that what is being done today is not photography is a bit off the mark though. Has it changed? Certainly. Are there bodgers with a digicam and photoshop? Certainly! Possibly more than in the film days but only because photography and the digital darkroom has become so much more accessible. There are some very fine photographers doing digital - many of which transitioned from film. Photography like any art form moves with the times. Check out a photographer called Jeff Ascough. Does done great B&W work (mainly weddings and landscape) - he transitioned from Leica rangefinders to Canon 5d's Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
four-wheel-drive Posted December 30, 2014 Report Share Posted December 30, 2014 (edited) I will say I love my little digital camera I take it with me most days when I am out with the dog it is nothing special it cost me £140 about five years ago and I have no delusions that the pictures that I take are special but to me they are just a moment in time perhaps something that I will never see again or a building that is being demolished and something new put in its place lots of things that when I feel in the mood I can switch the computer on and look and remember what was and is no more. Also the pictures that I take may be digital but that does not mean that you have to change them digitally what is the point in that not that I would now how to do it if I wanted to. Edited December 30, 2014 by four-wheel-drive Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aris Posted December 30, 2014 Report Share Posted December 30, 2014 I will say I love my little digital camera I take it with me most days when I am out with the dog it is nothing special it cost me £140 about five years ago and I have no delusions that the pictures that I take are special but to me they are just a moment in time perhaps something that I will never see again or a building that is being demolished and something new put in its place lots of things that when I feel in the mood I can switch the computer on and look and remember what was and is no more. Best camera is the one you have with you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welsh1 Posted December 30, 2014 Report Share Posted December 30, 2014 Of course in the day of film there was no manipulation http://twistedsifter.com/2012/02/famously-doctored-photographs/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chady Posted December 30, 2014 Report Share Posted December 30, 2014 No you are right to say I'm off the mark (a bit). My point is when you stop using a camera and using a program is taking it away from "photography" It's just the way I see it. Yes there are very very good photographers out there that are digital darkroom oritanted. And I'm not saying it isn't a good thing. But the problem is people don't understsnd exposure fully and they don't appreciate light!! Composure too And I'm sure they are complacent to a degree because of digital. I had a friend who had a 5d m11 and I spent a lot of time with him and long story short he had 6 months of photography with his digital but could not do any post editing. Well after the 6 months he was a completely different photographer. And now dose post editing but a fraction! And his photos have improved massively. But yes like I said it's what you want out of it. I could have gone pro more than once but never did as it was a hobby and only did it when I wanted and then I got the most out of it. And it was never every weekend. Yes a lot of very good photographers out there are brilliant look at freemans work and all the others but how many have come from film?? And how many have really studied it? To get where they are. I just feel something has been taken away since digital has come in. I hear where you are coming from achady - I too have loads of darkroom equipment in the loft. I have fond memories of the smell of developer and fixer - going into the darkroom, and coming out and seeing the sun rise - oops! try not to fall asleep in class! To say that what is being done today is not photography is a bit off the mark though. Has it changed? Certainly. Are there bodgers with a digicam and photoshop? Certainly! Possibly more than in the film days but only because photography and the digital darkroom has become so much more accessible. There are some very fine photographers doing digital - many of which transitioned from film. Photography like any art form moves with the times. Check out a photographer called Jeff Ascough. Does done great B&W work (mainly weddings and landscape) - he transitioned from Leica rangefinders to Canon 5d's Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chady Posted December 30, 2014 Report Share Posted December 30, 2014 Er did I say there wasn't? Yes there was but not like it is today and so easy and widespread. Of course in the day of film there was no manipulation http://twistedsifter.com/2012/02/famously-doctored-photographs/ Agreed mate it's what you want out of it. I will say I love my little digital camera I take it with me most days when I am out with the dog it is nothing special it cost me £140 about five years ago and I have no delusions that the pictures that I take are special but to me they are just a moment in time perhaps something that I will never see again or a building that is being demolished and something new put in its place lots of things that when I feel in the mood I can switch the computer on and look and remember what was and is no more. Also the pictures that I take may be digital but that does not mean that you have to change them digitally what is the point in that not that I would now how to do it if I wanted to. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welsh1 Posted December 30, 2014 Report Share Posted December 30, 2014 As you have admitted in the days of film you manipulated the light and speed among other things,in processing you could change things by adjusting chemical levels,you do the same now only it is faster, and as it was in the days of film there are people that take an average photo and try to make it better in the "development" stage which shows,and there are people who take a good photo and tweek it in the "development" stage a DSLR is no more or less complicated than an SLR was.there are a lot of the old school film people out there that do not understand what a computer can bring to film development and so shy away from DSLR which is a pity. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bruno22rf Posted December 30, 2014 Report Share Posted December 30, 2014 I collect 35mm cameras and love using them but to say that using Digital is not real photography is not something I would agree with. A good picture is made up of more than clarity and correct exposure-these are the main pro's of a Digital unit but these virtues make up only a small part of a good picture. I think that the nut behind the viewfinder is the most important ingredient. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chady Posted December 31, 2014 Report Share Posted December 31, 2014 Yea I understand what your saying. I suppose its down to how you look at it and what you enjoy. I loved the time when your sat waiting and watching the picture come through in the trays. It just felt like more effort to me and more rewarding. Some of the stuff is amazing what digital can do I read an article to day on making images look like snow or rain was combing down. They looked good. But fake to me. I liked planing a shot of what I wanted. Waiting for the right time and getting it. Some times I didnt. Other times I did. And when I did it felt so rewarding. Saying digital was not photography was wrong it wasn't ment the way it was said. Just my opinion on it. There will be millions of people who think differently. Why the hell would you want to spend the money time on developing your own when you can click PRINT. As you have admitted in the days of film you manipulated the light and speed among other things,in processing you could change things by adjusting chemical levels,you do the same now only it is faster, and as it was in the days of film there are people that take an average photo and try to make it better in the "development" stage which shows,and there are people who take a good photo and tweek it in the "development" stage a DSLR is no more or less complicated than an SLR was.there are a lot of the old school film people out there that do not understand what a computer can bring to film development and so shy away from DSLR which is a pity. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chady Posted December 31, 2014 Report Share Posted December 31, 2014 My whole point it is the person and there is more to switching a camera to auto and clicking to think about. I collect 35mm cameras and love using them but to say that using Digital is not real photography is not something I would agree with. A good picture is made up of more than clarity and correct exposure-these are the main pro's of a Digital unit but these virtues make up only a small part of a good picture. I think that the nut behind the viewfinder is the most important ingredient. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
double10 Posted December 31, 2014 Report Share Posted December 31, 2014 clearing out the attic i've adopted my mum's old film camera but unfortunately I was forced to throw away all the dark room equipment including projector etc which was still working. Time to learn how to use it now as I find using these digital cameras doesn't really appeal to me very much (despite owning several) as it seems film photography is becoming more of a lost art. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TIGHTCHOKE Posted December 31, 2014 Report Share Posted December 31, 2014 Blimey! Loved film and love Digital even more! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fuji Shooter Posted December 31, 2014 Report Share Posted December 31, 2014 We used to read maps to plan a journey. Now we just use sat nav or your phone. Things move on. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thepasty Posted December 31, 2014 Report Share Posted December 31, 2014 Thats a limited view to think everyone who shoots digital depends on photoshop or the like, simply not the case. My wifes a photographer, she shoots everything manually and does all she can to take the photo she wants with the camera, editing afterwards just means more time and less money. I'm sure this would be the case with most professionals. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chady Posted December 31, 2014 Report Share Posted December 31, 2014 (edited) My whole point so not limited Thats a limited view to think everyone who shoots digital depends on photoshop or the like, simply not the case. My wifes a photographer, she shoots everything manually and does all she can to take the photo she wants with the camera, editing afterwards just means more time and less money. I'm sure this would be the case with most professionals. Dose it all ways mean it's a good thing?? We used to read maps to plan a journey. Now we just use sat nav or your phone. Things move on. Edited December 31, 2014 by chady Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
m3vert Posted December 31, 2014 Report Share Posted December 31, 2014 (edited) Nicephore Niepce took a couple of days to expose his first shot. I guess with your reckoning we should still be doing it that way?? Digital cameras have change photography, for the better. Photoshop doesn't make a poor photograph great, a photographer does that! Edited December 31, 2014 by m3vert Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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