Gordon R Posted April 20, 2015 Report Share Posted April 20, 2015 I honestly thought that Margaret Thatcher was one slice short of a full loaf, but she was twice the man of all the main party leaders put together. She would have shredded Alex Salmond and Nichola Sturgeon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
keg Posted April 20, 2015 Report Share Posted April 20, 2015 What makes you say that Gordon? Agree, she would shred most of the current lot from any party. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kdubya Posted April 20, 2015 Report Share Posted April 20, 2015 I don't disagree, but smart people can be qualified in other areas. It's also the fact that they go straight into politics rather than getting some life experience first. It's one of the reasons i like DC, Eton and Oxbridge! 12 "O" levels and 3 "A" levels Education is not a direct link to intelligence, I work with some very very well educated idiots. KW Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pimpkiller Posted April 20, 2015 Report Share Posted April 20, 2015 (edited) In response to an earlier post eu travellers are entitled to the same level of treatment as the indigenous population. So for us typically life saving treatment (with ehic card I think its called) then your own insurance. But for visiters here its the whole shebang conveniently forgetting we pay for it through tax Edited April 20, 2015 by pimpkiller Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
keg Posted April 20, 2015 Report Share Posted April 20, 2015 Education is not a direct link to intelligence, I work with some very very well educated idiots. KW Agree with that wholeheartedly, my mrs was at school with a girl, 12 "o"s 5 "A"s all grade A, could tell you every mandarin dialect every spoken and speak it ( probably) A first in said subject from Oxford but no common sense at all. Would not trust her to cross the road safely. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dead-Eyed Duck Posted April 20, 2015 Report Share Posted April 20, 2015 Education is not a direct link to intelligence, I work with some very very well educated idiots. KW Wholeheartedly agree. I worked with a succession of MD's who were convinced of their superior intellect, and had the degrees to prove it. With one exception they were useless, and most of my customers (who were self-made men) used to delight in shredding them during price negotiations. The ultimate plonkers were those that insisted on the title of 'doctor', having obtained some obscure qualification that most had not heard of. Intellect is inverse proportion to common sense? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
keg Posted April 20, 2015 Report Share Posted April 20, 2015 Wholeheartedly agree. I worked with a succession of MD's who were convinced of their superior intellect, and had the degrees to prove it. With one exception they were useless, and most of my customers (who were self-made men) used to delight in shredding them during price negotiations. The ultimate plonkers were those that insisted on the title of 'doctor', having obtained some obscure qualification that most had not heard of. Intellect is inverse proportion to common sense? It sure is! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gordon R Posted April 20, 2015 Report Share Posted April 20, 2015 What makes you say that Gordon? Which bit? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
keg Posted April 20, 2015 Report Share Posted April 20, 2015 Which bit? This bit "I honestly thought that Margaret Thatcher was one slice short of a full loaf" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gordon R Posted April 20, 2015 Report Share Posted April 20, 2015 General Belgrano sunk - many lost their life - Margaret - drunk on power or just drunk - shouting "rejoice, rejoice" outside number 10 Downing Street. No time for the Argentinian view on the Falklands then or now, but rejoicing - absolute fruitcake. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
keg Posted April 20, 2015 Report Share Posted April 20, 2015 Or patriotic? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kdubya Posted April 20, 2015 Report Share Posted April 20, 2015 Or patriotic? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
keg Posted April 20, 2015 Report Share Posted April 20, 2015 Predictable KW. If only nationalised industry was as efficient as hell was, there would have been no closures. I wonder what life would be like if we had treated the German fleet in the same way as the Belgrano.."it's ok they are sailing away".... She made a decision at the time. As she said, one of the only PMs to get grief for protecting our own boys. Imagine if she hadn't authorised it to be sunk and it had shelled a carrier or the island? We would be sitting here slating here for not sinking it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kdubya Posted April 20, 2015 Report Share Posted April 20, 2015 (edited) Predictable KW. If only nationalised industry was as efficient as hell was, there would have been no closures. I wonder what life would be like if we had treated the German fleet in the same way as the Belgrano.."it's ok they are sailing away".... She made a decision at the time. As she said, one of the only PMs to get grief for protecting our own boys. Imagine if she hadn't authorised it to be sunk and it had shelled a carrier or the island? We would be sitting here slating here for not sinking it. She was in the act of withdrawing HMS endurance to save about 1.8 million a year, Argentina saw that as a declaration of non interest in the Falklands and moved in, thatcher who was waning in popularity seized the opportunity to enter into a conflict costing us billions? many lives lost unnecessarily on both sides, as for the Belgrano , an old ship crewed mainly by conscript KIDS,she was outside the exclusion zone, non threatening and steaming away at the time, but she was sunk needlessly with a huge loss of life and you call her patriotic! I would call her psychotic. KW Edited April 20, 2015 by kdubya Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
keg Posted April 20, 2015 Report Share Posted April 20, 2015 I agree about Endurance, saving money from the last Labour Fubar. As for the Belgrano, i assume she has a wheel like most ships? Yes i still call her patriotic. Remember the colour grey? Many shades. Maggie lets the Falklands go despite it being British. What message does that send to the rest of the world? Don't blame Maggie for the young kids on the Belgrano being killed, blame the Junta that sent them there. We also have the advantage of hindsight and modern communications, we didn't back then. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
islandgun Posted April 20, 2015 Report Share Posted April 20, 2015 (edited) Ok KW but she had great empathy with miners Edited April 20, 2015 by islandgun Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AVB Posted April 20, 2015 Report Share Posted April 20, 2015 General Belgrano sunk - many lost their life - Margaret - drunk on power or just drunk - shouting "rejoice, rejoice" outside number 10 Downing Street. No time for the Argentinian view on the Falklands then or now, but rejoicing - absolute fruitcake. She actually shouted "rejoice" when the Argentines surrendered not at the loss of the Belgrano. I preferred The Sun's headline over the Belgrano. "Gotcha". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dead-Eyed Duck Posted April 20, 2015 Report Share Posted April 20, 2015 Well that wasted one minute and 13 seconds of my life watching that. Does that pass in the NE for humour, comedy or was he just nissed as a newt? Either way the audience wasted their entrance money and no doubt demanded it back. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
keg Posted April 20, 2015 Report Share Posted April 20, 2015 Andy Capp? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glenshooter Posted April 20, 2015 Report Share Posted April 20, 2015 Well that wasted one minute and 13 seconds of my life watching that. Does that pass in the NE for humour, comedy or was he just nissed as a newt? Either way the audience wasted their entrance money and no doubt demanded it back. Didn't even know a word he was saying. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kdubya Posted April 20, 2015 Report Share Posted April 20, 2015 Didn't even know a word he was saying. Oh I say! one should try to imagine one talking with a plum in ones gob. KW Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kdubya Posted April 20, 2015 Report Share Posted April 20, 2015 Well that wasted one minute and 13 seconds of my life watching that. Sorry about that, it honestly never crossed my mind that a sense of humour was an optional extra. KW Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glenshooter Posted April 20, 2015 Report Share Posted April 20, 2015 She actually shouted "rejoice" when the Argentines surrendered not at the loss of the Belgrano. I preferred The Sun's headline over the Belgrano. "Gotcha". In war, as we were with Argentina, the Belgrano was a legitimate target no matter where it was. (Exclusion Zones are for the benefit of neutral vessels, not combatants, AFAIK.) James Mates (ITN), reported in around 2007* that when he interviewed the Captain of the General Belgrano, the captain said that the attack was legitimate. I believe the Argentine government at some stage did as well. The Belgrano could have changed course at any time and there have been reports since that the Captain was indeed under orders to attack. Sinking the Belgrano kept the rest of the Argentine Navy indoors, particularly the aircraft carrier, which could have been a serious threat to our military fighting a difficult war in the Falklands. It was a good result in terms of fighting a war, despite the sad loss of life, as have already been stated. Reported in the Spectator, * Given the endless controversy on the subject, it is rather surprising that ITN have not yet shown an interview recently conducted by their correspondent, James Mates, with the captain of the Belgrano, the Argentine cruiser sunk by a British submarine during the Falklands. In this interview, Mates asks the captain, Hector Bonzo, whether it is true, as the British state and critics deny, that his ship posed ‘a real threat’ to the task force. Bonzo says: ‘Yes, I agree with that statement. I think we posed a real threat … we never had any intention of going back to shore; we were only waiting for the right moment to act.’ These words prove nothing — the captain might be self-aggrandising — but they should surely be broadcast. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gordon R Posted April 20, 2015 Report Share Posted April 20, 2015 AVB - I stand corrected. I well remember apparently drunk shouting "rejoice, rejoice". I thought at the time that she had a slate loose, whether she was drunk or not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lister22 Posted April 20, 2015 Report Share Posted April 20, 2015 the argi navy did not leave port after a shark of steel sunk the Belgrano I would replace trident with 10 or 12 attack subs with nuke cruise missiles or new upgrade Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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