Lloyd90 Posted May 11, 2015 Report Share Posted May 11, 2015 Im on £80 a month and nothing I can do about it. I make you lot look like vagabonds and paupers im so happy haha haaaaa....im sad really As you've stated what your on I hope you don't mind me enquiring the reason why your on such a small income ? Stating your income without any srt of back ground or explanation for it is a bit useless unless you always want to state your circumstances etc Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Penelope Posted May 11, 2015 Report Share Posted May 11, 2015 Boris has them, but Theresa won't let him use em. The sort of situation where a water cannon comes in handy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
copperkins Posted May 11, 2015 Report Share Posted May 11, 2015 (edited) In answer to your question grrclark. I started off life being born in a tenement in the docks of Greenock, so was not exactly a silver spoon start (although the quality of the people was very rich) then trained as an engineer before joining the Fire and Rescue Service. For the next 20 years I served at the sharp end of the job at a time when health and safety mommy state was somewhere in the future. We had training and knowledge passed down to us and “risk assessment” was assessed in our heads as we ran towards the danger not standing outside with aclip board as is required now. I and many other brave men have the scars and some hideous memories of doing a serious job with courage. During these years I invariably had many, many part time jobs ie £1 an hour driving eight wheeler towing vehicle pulling big artics that had broken down in motorway roadworks 48 hours for £48, building houses, removals, even humping coal sacs. Not that we lived extravagantly, we where just paying a mortgage on a little semi. And we were skint. Five years ago my wife had a 24hour virus that quite literally destroyed her brain. Dead on arrival, no chance of surviving, horrendous brain damage, ect ect, well I eventually did get her back. I now do 19//20 hours a day doing everything for her and because I/we worked so *******g hard and accumulated a comfortable amount (not rich, just comfortable) the caring country we live in do not give us anything. I have to sold all the goodies one acquires in life, good cars, caravan, guns even the stalking and shooting has gone so I can pay for my wifes care. Don`t get me wrong, I think I am about the luckiest man alive, there is a huge number of good hard working people out there that are in a tougher situation than I am. So sunshine, I would be interested to know how you reached your upper 5% Edited May 11, 2015 by copperkins Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grrclark Posted May 11, 2015 Report Share Posted May 11, 2015 (edited) Copperkins, genuinely sorry to hear of the circumstances surrounding your wife, that is a tragic thing to go through. As for me grew up in a council house in Dundee, son of a fireman ironically. My mum worked the early shift in a bakers shop from the time I was 9 or 10. Moved away from Dundee at 14 when my dad moved to Fife F&R service, normal state schools, etc. No silver spoon for me either, one grandad was a sparky, the other a joiner, my gran worked in the jam factory in Carnoustie. Nobody in the family with anything more than basic secondary education. I was taken on as an apprentice doing electrical and mechanical fitting with Exxon, that completed just the same time Piper Alpha blew up and then the first gulf war so no jobs for fresh young faces in the O&G industry and was laid off. I washed plastic bottles out for £8/day because it was more than i would have got signing on. Laboured on a farm for a bit ad-hoc after getting to know the farmer when picking tatties, did homers fixing dishwashers and industrial kitchen equipment and collected Littlewoods football coupons for £15/week. Finally got a temp job as a school technician fixing broken AV kit and making stuff out of wood for the princely sum of £8,800/yr. Taught myself all about IT and got a job doing that, had 7 jobs in 10 years to keep learning and kept pushing my limits in going for jobs that were bigger than my knowledge and hoping I didn't get caught out. Learned a lot and discovered that waiting on someone else to give you a leg up doesn't work, so kept taking myself out my comfort zone to learn more and taking more risks. Ended up a director of a global business with 6000 employees, then decided i would do something for myself and started my own show. No silver spoons, no funded university, no favours, no handouts, just application and taking a risk, sometimes lucky, sometimes not so much. That's my story. Edited May 11, 2015 by grrclark Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
copperkins Posted May 11, 2015 Report Share Posted May 11, 2015 Well you should know about the poor wages that firefighters were on at that time, the very reason a great percentage of us had to subsidize that wage with part time work. If your father was of the old school then you should know exactly where I am coming from. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pimpkiller Posted May 11, 2015 Author Report Share Posted May 11, 2015 I just get low rate care component of dla. Used to get incapacity benefit and industrial injuries disablement benefit. Im just having a fiddle on the phone every now and again rather than at a computer. Without going into health problems the bottom line is under the new system I havnt succeeded in getting esa (new sick benefit, I used too) and on the other hand the job center agree there is no chance of me having training and employment Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grrclark Posted May 11, 2015 Report Share Posted May 11, 2015 (edited) Copperkins, I don't disagree with that, why on earth would you suggest I would? Not sure why you seem grumpy at me, you seem aggressive in your tone, but maybe not written that way I appreciate. Edited May 11, 2015 by grrclark Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grrclark Posted May 11, 2015 Report Share Posted May 11, 2015 I just get low rate care component of dla. Used to get incapacity benefit and industrial injuries disablement benefit. Im just having a fiddle on the phone every now and again rather than at a computer. Without going into health problems the bottom line is under the new system I havnt succeeded in getting esa (new sick benefit, I used too) and on the other hand the job center agree there is no chance of me having training and employment I'm sorry you are caught in that dilemma PK and I wouldn't expect, or ask, you to share the details of your health or circumstance on here. There are generally always options to do something more, but I do understand for some that is not practical or easily possible. What did you do for a living previously if you don't mind me asking? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
copperkins Posted May 11, 2015 Report Share Posted May 11, 2015 Hi pimpkiller, I know of a youngish couple, he`s so badly crippled with arthritis and a lung function disorder that he has had a stair lift and bathroom alteration to accommodate his disabilities. This new ppi (ppi or pip?) system requires an interview, which he subsequently had, and within a few days received a letter withdrawing his disability allowances and asking him for his disabled parking badge back. Long story short, they contested the decision, his doctors complained to the ppi so did his arthritis consultant and the lung function consultant. Signs are that the decision will be overturned. Footnote The interviewer, had no medical qualifications or training. Use the medical profession to help you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lloyd90 Posted May 11, 2015 Report Share Posted May 11, 2015 I just get low rate care component of dla. Used to get incapacity benefit and industrial injuries disablement benefit. Im just having a fiddle on the phone every now and again rather than at a computer. Without going into health problems the bottom line is under the new system I havnt succeeded in getting esa (new sick benefit, I used too) and on the other hand the job center agree there is no chance of me having training and employment I don't mean to dig into your condition and it is unfortunate to be struck by illness or disability, my own father has recently this year suffered terribly with a condition that he sought help with for years but was fobbed off. He went private and ended up having spinal surgery, saving him from ending up in a wheelchair. Before this he was worked 7 days a week for as many years as I can remember (and I am 25 now). I think it would be unfair to pass any judgement on what you do or do not get as I don't know the ins and outs of the situation. I would say however , that there are certain things out there to try to help people in similar situations, Disability living allowance (DLA) Attendance Allowance (for those over 65) Employment and Support Allowance Reduced rate council tax Housing benefit - can paid council tax and housing rent Motability car scheme Blue badge parking Car tax exemption (if on higher rate of DLA) Can get job grants to help into work Working tax credit Income support (Which automatically qualifies you for housing benefit and council tax benefit) DIsabled students allowance (for those that wish to study) For anyone caring for someone or with a child with a disability carers allowance (depending on the care you do and how much you work I believe) DLA Sure start maternity grant Like I said, without knowing the exactly situation I can not comment on you being on "Only £80 a month", but I must ask, do you receive any help like the above ? If you are receiving payments of some sort then you should be entitled / receiving help with some of the above grants or allowances. A lot of people are not left with much to spent after outgoings at the end of the month, both disabled and non-disabled people, some who work and some who don't. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lloyd90 Posted May 11, 2015 Report Share Posted May 11, 2015 Hi pimpkiller, I know of a youngish couple, he`s so badly crippled with arthritis and a lung function disorder that he has had a stair lift and bathroom alteration to accommodate his disabilities. This new ppi (ppi or pip?) system requires an interview, which he subsequently had, and within a few days received a letter withdrawing his disability allowances and asking him for his disabled parking badge back. Long story short, they contested the decision, his doctors complained to the ppi so did his arthritis consultant and the lung function consultant. Signs are that the decision will be overturned. Footnote The interviewer, had no medical qualifications or training. Use the medical profession to help you. I'm sorry but that's one example of a wrong decision, like you said "Signs are the decision will be overturned", I would bloody hope so! But all I read from this is that the person making the decision, clearly lacked experience and made a mistake! The Care Act 2014 is a new bit of legislation consolidating alot of old acts into one new one, it also provides new duties and services to be extended to more people as well as carers. As will all social / care type acts there are teething issues and boundary testing both from local authorities and those who receive services. I expect there will be a fair few court cases challenging decisions and care obligations, There normally is with every act introduced. Overall though all I have seen ON A LARGE SCALE, is workers doing their best with the resources they have. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kdubya Posted May 11, 2015 Report Share Posted May 11, 2015 I'm sorry but that's one example of a wrong decision, like you said "Signs are the decision will be overturned", I would bloody hope so! But all I read from this is that the person making the decision, clearly lacked experience and made a mistake! The Care Act 2014 is a new bit of legislation consolidating alot of old acts into one new one, it also provides new duties and services to be extended to more people as well as carers. As will all social / care type acts there are teething issues and boundary testing both from local authorities and those who receive services. I expect there will be a fair few court cases challenging decisions and care obligations, There normally is with every act introduced. Overall though all I have seen ON A LARGE SCALE, is workers doing their best with the resources they have. try reading this, then understand why those who voted Lib in 2010 could not do it again, of course the cons could not give a toss. http://www.newstatesman.com/politics/2015/04/disability-audit-eight-coalition-policies-have-hit-disabled-people KW Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aris Posted May 11, 2015 Report Share Posted May 11, 2015 (edited) Five years ago my wife had a 24hour virus that quite literally destroyed her brain. Dead on arrival, no chance of surviving, horrendous brain damage, ect ect, well I eventually did get her back. I now do 19//20 hours a day doing everything for her and because I/we worked so *******g hard and accumulated a comfortable amount (not rich, just comfortable) the caring country we live in do not give us anything. I have to sold all the goodies one acquires in life, good cars, caravan, guns even the stalking and shooting has gone so I can pay for my wifes care. I do find it hard to accept that fine people like you who worked hard all their lives are treated worse than people who have never worked a day in their life. The idea that we pay 'national insurance' is a joke to the extreme when you are paying into an insurance policy which doesn't pay out when you need it most, or pays out more to people who put in less. In my eyes we should all be equal in the eyes of the state - or at the very least, abolish 'national insurance' and call it something else - because insurance it isn't. Edited May 11, 2015 by aris Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
keg Posted May 11, 2015 Report Share Posted May 11, 2015 I do find it hard to accept that fine people like you who worked hard all their lives are treated worse than people who have never worked a day in their life. The idea that we pay 'national insurance' is a joke to the extreme when you are paying into an insurance policy which doesn't pay out when you need it most, or pays out more to people who put in less. In my eyes we should all be equal in the eyes of the state - or at the very least, abolish 'national insurance' and call it something else - because insurance it isn't. It is a shocking system, my mum is 84 and since dad died in 1991 has lived on her own. Because they were sensible and saved and contributed to pensions ( Luckily dad got his for a year before he died and mum gets part of his as a widows pension)and this was before Gormless Gordon attacked private sector pensions, If she needs anything like a stair lift or adaptations to her home, she has to pay.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lloyd90 Posted May 11, 2015 Report Share Posted May 11, 2015 try reading this, then understand why those who voted Lib in 2010 could not do it again, of course the cons could not give a toss. http://www.newstatesman.com/politics/2015/04/disability-audit-eight-coalition-policies-have-hit-disabled-people KW I don't disagree with you, alot of those are wrong and unjust! Notoriously the bedroom tax I'm just trying to look at it from various perspectives and be open minded. Being struck by an illness or disability with yourself or a loved one is horrible (aas I have experienced with my father) Some would say we are unfortunate with our policies etc Some would say we are very fortunate when we look at the many governments / countries out and what they provide for their ill and disabled. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
keg Posted May 11, 2015 Report Share Posted May 11, 2015 I don't mean to dig into your condition and it is unfortunate to be struck by illness or disability, my own father has recently this year suffered terribly with a condition that he sought help with for years but was fobbed off. He went private and ended up having spinal surgery, saving him from ending up in a wheelchair. Before this he was worked 7 days a week for as many years as I can remember (and I am 25 now). I think it would be unfair to pass any judgement on what you do or do not get as I don't know the ins and outs of the situation. I would say however , that there are certain things out there to try to help people in similar situations, Disability living allowance (DLA) Attendance Allowance (for those over 65) Employment and Support Allowance Reduced rate council tax Housing benefit - can paid council tax and housing rent Motability car scheme Blue badge parking Car tax exemption (if on higher rate of DLA) Can get job grants to help into work Working tax credit Income support (Which automatically qualifies you for housing benefit and council tax benefit) DIsabled students allowance (for those that wish to study) For anyone caring for someone or with a child with a disability carers allowance (depending on the care you do and how much you work I believe) DLA Sure start maternity grant Like I said, without knowing the exactly situation I can not comment on you being on "Only £80 a month", but I must ask, do you receive any help like the above ? If you are receiving payments of some sort then you should be entitled / receiving help with some of the above grants or allowances. A lot of people are not left with much to spent after outgoings at the end of the month, both disabled and non-disabled people, some who work and some who don't. My mum gets attendance allowance now but had to fight for it which i don't understand as i believe it is not means tested. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lloyd90 Posted May 11, 2015 Report Share Posted May 11, 2015 My mum gets attendance allowance now but had to fight for it which i don't understand as i believe it is not means tested. Strange, well done on her and you though! As I said with the new care act there will be problems on both sides getting used to the new legislation. I'm not familiar with the allowances that much tbh mate altho if your entitled to anything then make sure you push for it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bazooka Joe Posted May 11, 2015 Report Share Posted May 11, 2015 Footnote The interviewer, had no medical qualifications or training. Glorified secretary who can type quick...I know someone who's been through this process four times. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
big bad lindz Posted May 12, 2015 Report Share Posted May 12, 2015 Was in not just wee fat Eck and his new band arriving in London Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grrclark Posted May 12, 2015 Report Share Posted May 12, 2015 Was in not just wee fat Eck and his new band arriving in London If he keeps talking his nonsense I think it will be a lynch party next Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
big bad lindz Posted May 12, 2015 Report Share Posted May 12, 2015 If he keeps talking his nonsense I think it will be a lynch party next I I hope that's not a typo and you did mean a Y and not a U !! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fisherman Mike Posted May 12, 2015 Report Share Posted May 12, 2015 I am very rich with gifts beyond weath. A wife i have known since i was 18 A lovely daughter who took a while to get here via IVF The ability to walk my dog in the fields Friends i have known from starting school aged 8 and who we would do anything for each other. Free speech to talk like this. That's what i call rich. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UcVP0uDh0i8 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grrclark Posted May 12, 2015 Report Share Posted May 12, 2015 I I hope that's not a typo and you did mean a Y and not a U !! Haha I did spell it correctly. I get the feeling that more people would want to hang him than hang out with him Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Surfer Posted May 13, 2015 Report Share Posted May 13, 2015 You can have all the money in the world and yet still have nothing apart from loneliness Al Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
overandunder2012 Posted May 13, 2015 Report Share Posted May 13, 2015 You can have all the money in the world and yet still have nothing apart from loneliness Al its mainly the less well of that think that money may not buy happiness but i bet it helps Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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