loriusgarrulus Posted June 11, 2015 Report Share Posted June 11, 2015 Never tried the Barf diet as we don't use our dogs in a natural wild dog way so don't go for a natural wild dog diet. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
compo90 Posted June 11, 2015 Report Share Posted June 11, 2015 In human comparison its just like eating more fresh meat, veg, salad and fruit rather than processed food. Never tried the Barf diet as we don't use our dogs in a natural wild dog way so don't go for a natural wild dog diet. A really poor answer and shows you naivety, yes we don't use our dogs in a natural way but their digestive tract is still the same as a wild canids. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
compo90 Posted June 11, 2015 Report Share Posted June 11, 2015 I have a racing whippet, she isn't a high bred racing pedigree, (a bit of racer and coursing and working lines make up her pedigree) the most successful dogs are the racing to racing bred lines. My dog is competing well with such high bred dogs and the main difference is diet. That can't be just coincidence that I have made a sows ear into a silk purse with a more natural diet? The greyhound racer I mentioned also keeps lurchers for hunting and pest control, he relayed a tale of recently feeding one of his dogs some expensive dried dog food (he had been dog sitting for a friend who brought the food for his dog and left a bit behind, not wanting to waste it he fed it to his young lurcher) A day later his dog was car sick and regurgitated the dog food which still looked like dog food, a day inside a dogs stomach and it hadn't broken down. That's another part of the argument that processed food takes them too long to digest. The black and white bitch overtaking the other two in this clip is mine. As I say I feed her the best as it makes her better, you don't run a ferrari on diesel. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rimfire4969 Posted June 11, 2015 Report Share Posted June 11, 2015 Depending on the age of the dog 4 months might not have been long enough..... And cooking. And processing meat and fish loses a lot of the nutrients Possibly not long enough but didn't someone say the results were immediate only a few posts ago. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
compo90 Posted June 11, 2015 Report Share Posted June 11, 2015 Possibly not long enough but didn't someone say the results were immediate only a few posts ago. No I said there are short, mid and long term improvements Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
compo90 Posted June 11, 2015 Report Share Posted June 11, 2015 Benefits you immediately see is a shiny coat and less moulting, better smelling dog breath and less and smaller better formed poo. Mid term improved muscle tone and energy Long term less internal cancers and dietary problems in old health Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rimfire4969 Posted June 11, 2015 Report Share Posted June 11, 2015 Possibly not long enough but didn't someone say the results were immediate only a few posts ago. No I said there are short, mid and long term improvements Benefits you immediately see is a shiny coat and less moulting, better smelling dog breath and less and smaller better formed poo. Mid term improved muscle tone and energy Long term less internal cancers and dietary problems in old health I am lost, so immediate and immediately and two different things. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pothunter Posted June 11, 2015 Report Share Posted June 11, 2015 (edited) Benefits you immediately see is a shiny coat and less moulting, better smelling dog breath and less and smaller better formed poo. Mid term improved muscle tone and energy Long term less internal cancers and dietary problems in old health This describes exactly the changes I saw when I switched my dogs a few years ago. The changes were very marked and striking. I'd go so far as to say "massive changes" to all those factors. I'd certainly never change back. And I had no axe to grind beforehand. They'd been on kibble for years with no terrible problems. Just tried raw because it did sound logical. Was astonished at the difference. The one point I differ with you on is veg etc. They don't need it. My dogs improved even more (on all the above counts) when I stopped feeding them veg. Just the right proportions of meat:bone:offal. Edited June 11, 2015 by Pothunter Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
compo90 Posted June 11, 2015 Report Share Posted June 11, 2015 This describes exactly the changes I saw when I switched my dogs a few years ago. The changes were very marked and striking. I'd go so far as to say "massive changes" to all those factors. I'd certainly never change back. And I had no axe to grind beforehand. They'd been on kibble for years with no terrible problems. Just tried raw because it did sound logical. Was astonished at the difference. The one point I differ with you on is veg etc. They don't need it. My dogs improved even more (on all the above counts) when I stopped feeding them veg. Just the right proportions of meat:bone:offal. Thankfully and finally someone on my side! Or should I say someone who can also see the benefit I suppose enough offal will provide the nutrients that the veg provides, but that's all its for, the main (60% plus) is meat.... Anything else is for variety and any trace nutrients. Back on topic of the op a healthy diet and lots of exercise and no dog will have weight issues. And its also cheaper to feed barf, the meat that is currently my dogs main stay is a quid twenty and makes 14 meals that's a week worth of two meals a day bulked out with fruit and veg. You can feed a dog well and better for less. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
albifrons Posted June 11, 2015 Report Share Posted June 11, 2015 All the way with compo on this. Always fed my dogs on raw (tripe mince bones) and the only time I have seen them drop back in condition and performance is when I have had to feed dried food. Invest in an old freezer, dedicated to dog food and use it to freeze the raw food. With good timing, you can take some out and feed it later with no unwelcome smells lingering about. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
compo90 Posted June 11, 2015 Report Share Posted June 11, 2015 All the way with compo on this. Always fed my dogs on raw (tripe mince bones) and the only time I have seen them drop back in condition and performance is when I have had to feed dried food. Invest in an old freezer, dedicated to dog food and use it to freeze the raw food. With good timing, you can take some out and feed it later with no unwelcome smells lingering about. Its what we do, we have 2 freezers, and on an evening take out meat for the next day. We have several steel dog bowls and place the next two feeds in them for the next day, we even mix and freeze veg and other fillers in with the meat, but her diet is as said 60-70% cheap fatty meat. I did the costings once and even with cheap tinned sardines (they occasionally need the fish oils) it worked out half the price of even a cheap complete food. And regards "heard good things about a complete food" from who? An advert? A pet food supplier? A vet on commission with a load in his reception? The side of the packet? I have some rabbits to clear from a site related to work, they will become dog food! You also don't need to feed as much by volume and have a lot less poo to pick up Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rimfire4969 Posted June 11, 2015 Report Share Posted June 11, 2015 I'm not knocking barf it's what works best for you. I am just a bit sceptical about all the amazing things that happen only with barf. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
compo90 Posted June 12, 2015 Report Share Posted June 12, 2015 I'm not knocking barf it's what works best for you. I am just a bit sceptical about all the amazing things that happen only with barf. Thing is its not what works for you its what works for the dogs digestive system That's barf I accept you may not see an amazing over night transformation and that some of the changes like a better coat may be subjective and can be hidden by moulting and environmental factors But have you ever argued with the gp when they say "eat more fresh fruit and veg and less processed food!" ..... That's the same thing eat more like our natural diet, for us that's less pies, pastries and processed foods and more salads, fruit and basic meals.....for a dog that's more raw meat Had a pro barf chat with a lady with a cockerpoo the other day, the last person I envisaged to be pro natural diet, her pet was playing with my whippet, she said how shiney my dogs coat was, I said I accredit that to her diet of raw meat etc..... Her reply "oh you feed barf, that's what jasper eats, the vet advised it as he has a sensitive tummy" ..... Seems her vet wasn't on an iams contract like a lot! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rimfire4969 Posted June 12, 2015 Report Share Posted June 12, 2015 For every person you show that says how great barf is I could find one who did not like it, I am one of the latter. For me just far too much hassle for no benefit shown to my dogs within 4 months of using it compared to a very good branded kibble feed. It always seems that anyone who feeds barf gets so completely blinkered and will not see anyone else's point of view. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
albifrons Posted June 12, 2015 Report Share Posted June 12, 2015 For every person you show that says how great barf is I could find one who did not like it, I am one of the latter.For me just far too much hassle for no benefit shown to my dogs within 4 months of using it compared to a very good branded kibble feed. It always seems that anyone who feeds barf gets so completely blinkered and will not see anyone else's point of view.[/quote That works both ways! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
compo90 Posted June 12, 2015 Report Share Posted June 12, 2015 It does work both ways, I am a big advocate of barf. And can be accussed of being blinkered, but I acknowledge that. My opinion has been formed this last year seeing the transformation of a soft whippet pup into a lean muscular and hard speed machine, with added benefit of no smelly dog breathe and smaller and firmer poo. the only way I see a complete food working is for the owner, I can't see any benefit for the animal. My opinion was also hardened when my old gun dog, my cocker spaniel ended up riddled with cancer, I know things aren't that simple but it made me start to look at environmental and dietary factors to keeping healthier animals. My late uncle had working dogs, lurchers, he fed them meat and they were doing a hard days/nights work until well past the time when a lot of gun dogs are retired. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShootingEgg Posted June 12, 2015 Author Report Share Posted June 12, 2015 Im unsure you can say that kibble is the cause of a dog getting Cancer to the degree of changing its diet to barf. My family have always had spaniels and always on kibble, only our welsh springer had cancer,which i dont beleive was caused by food. all the others died of old age. Imo i dont think you can point at one thing when it comes to something as complex as cancer. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pothunter Posted June 12, 2015 Report Share Posted June 12, 2015 For every person you show that says how great barf is I could find one who did not like it, I am one of the latter. For me just far too much hassle for no benefit shown to my dogs within 4 months of using it compared to a very good branded kibble feed. It always seems that anyone who feeds barf gets so completely blinkered and will not see anyone else's point of view. I think if you've tried it, didn't like it and didn't notice the difference, really one can't say fairer than that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
compo90 Posted June 12, 2015 Report Share Posted June 12, 2015 Im unsure you can say that kibble is the cause of a dog getting Cancer to the degree of changing its diet to barf. My family have always had spaniels and always on kibble, only our welsh springer had cancer,which i dont beleive was caused by food. all the others died of old age. Imo i dont think you can point at one thing when it comes to something as complex as cancer. Read what I wrote My opinion was also hardened when my old gun dog, my cocker spaniel ended up riddled with cancer, I know things aren't that simple but it made me start to look at environmental and dietary factors to keeping healthier animals. As I said I know things aren't that simple, I just thought of trying to improve the lot all around of any dogs I kept. Feed kibble if you want, its your best friend..... My best friend gets the best....and she does her best for me..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rimfire4969 Posted June 12, 2015 Report Share Posted June 12, 2015 I believe my dog gets the best as well. I buy my best friend a pint in the pub. He would be right pi$$ed at me with kibble or barf. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
compo90 Posted June 12, 2015 Report Share Posted June 12, 2015 I believe my dog gets the best as well. I buy my best friend a pint in the pub. He would be right pi$$ed at me with kibble or barf. That's the problem, your friends are human Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShootingEgg Posted June 17, 2015 Author Report Share Posted June 17, 2015 How is that a problem. Dogs adapt, if they were wild and the only food source was fruit tgey would eat that, if meat they would eat that. If kibble was that bad then surely no one would be using it. I have spoken woth the guys i get my food from and am going to try a different mix to get a higher enrgy mix. And see how that goes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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