quadimodo Posted June 8, 2015 Report Share Posted June 8, 2015 Hi Folks Turkish built Webley and Scott 2 years old double discharges with one pull on the trigger,[ Fan Firing] ? this occurs ever 20 or so shots. It was returned to the dealer who returned it to Highland Outdoor sports importers, they said they replaced a broken firing pin , this did not solve the double discharge problem,took it back to the dealer and he tried it and it double fired, when questioned about it he said he kept his finger on the trigger!!! It has been returned to the importers 4 times now and they say there is no fault, but they are prepared to stiffen up the trigger pull to try to solve the problem, it is at 5 lb at the moment. This poor service to say the least ,it has supposed to have a three year warranty which is probably worthless if it is not repairable. So the question is, anyone out there had this problem and did they get in resolved if so with who ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Underdog Posted June 8, 2015 Report Share Posted June 8, 2015 That is not fan firing! No gun should double discharge Don't be fooled into expecting the importer is a expert in the gun and its workings. Either get your money back or take it to a real gunsmith. A real gunsmith will diagnose then correct the fault, he will not use black magic, wish notes or a magic wand! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TIGHTCHOKE Posted June 8, 2015 Report Share Posted June 8, 2015 Ask for the REFUND that you are due! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scully Posted June 8, 2015 Report Share Posted June 8, 2015 I hate to say this as I hate rubbishing anyones gun, but I advise all those I can against buying these shotguns. Twice now I have seen young lads who, not having much money but wanting a brand new gun, have bought these guns only for the exact same problem to occur as you are now experiencing. Both returned their guns to their respective RFD's time after time, neither ever having the problem resolved and ultimately after many months finally having to take their Dads with them to ask for their money back. I'm not assuming you're a young lad, I'm just retelling my experience of these guns. Take it back and demand your money back; there is a reason why these shotguns have an abysmal resale value on the secondhand market, so even if you get the problem put right, you will lose hand over fist on it when you upgrade. The best advice I can give is get rid now while you have good reason and can claim back the price in full, then save up and get a shotgun with a tried and proved provenance. Sorry. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
243ack Posted June 8, 2015 Report Share Posted June 8, 2015 Which model is it?. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Squinting shot Posted June 8, 2015 Report Share Posted June 8, 2015 I was going to get one of them but I went online and they got bad reviews from shooting forums so I kept away. Bought a new baikals and love it. Dose great at sporting clays. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Underdog Posted June 8, 2015 Report Share Posted June 8, 2015 If it is based on the old Lincoln type of mechanism it usually just needs some fine tuning around the barrel selector. A shuttling sear interceptor sometimes still keeps in contact with the other hammer releasing both. I cured two Lincolns of the dreaded DD. It is a good sound mechanical mech but needs good tuning of the selector which can take some time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
quadimodo Posted June 9, 2015 Author Report Share Posted June 9, 2015 It is a 900 series, in December 14,when the bottom barrel was selected it misfired on the bottom barrel and double discharged when the top barrel selected it was returned to Highland outdoor importers via the dealer, they said broken firing pin was the cause of the misfire and that cured the misfire, and the trigger was sticking? they replaced the inertia block ,the DD continues they say that they have NEVER heard of this happening on a single trigger gun even though 4 people have tried the gun and had the same thing happen.They say it is user error. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scully Posted June 9, 2015 Report Share Posted June 9, 2015 He's telling you porkies and therefore not worth dealing with anyhow. If I was you I would demand a full refund and take my service elsewhere. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
subsonicnat Posted June 9, 2015 Report Share Posted June 9, 2015 Never Heard the expression FAN FIRING.. I Say it is Broke If It Does That.. As Said Get Rid, Before you Cannot Get your Money Back.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scully Posted June 9, 2015 Report Share Posted June 9, 2015 The only method I know which the term 'fan' firing applies to means holding back the trigger on a single-action revolver and 'fanning' the hammer with an open palm, as seen in some Hollywood westerns but never (as far as I know) in the old west. It can be done but it is a highly inaccurate means by which to fire a revolver. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harnser Posted June 9, 2015 Report Share Posted June 9, 2015 The only method I know which the term 'fan' firing applies to means holding back the trigger on a single-action revolver and 'fanning' the hammer with an open palm, as seen in some Hollywood westerns but never (as far as I know) in the old west. It can be done but it is a highly inaccurate means by which to fire a revolver. In American folk lore there was a well known gun fighter by the name of fanner McFaid . Just a useless bit of info. Harnser Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GingerCat Posted June 9, 2015 Report Share Posted June 9, 2015 My lanber did it and was correct in about 5 minutes by tightening the second trigger that was firing on the recoil of the first shot. The gunsmith was apologetic to say the least but it was a simple fix. I'm guessing you have a similar problem. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brett1985 Posted June 10, 2015 Report Share Posted June 10, 2015 fan firing is when the user is not not completely letting go of the trigger when firing the first barrel, then the recoil from the first shot causes the trigger to push against the finger that is still sat on the trigger and fires the gun again. similar principal to how the bump/slide fire stocks work. it can happen, but is usually down to poor gun mount (not being shouldered correctly) or not releasing the trigger. what the OP describes does not sound like fan fire to me at all, it sounds like a another faulty w&s... take it back and ask for your money to be returned. explain to them that you have a consistent mount and that you do not keep your finger on the trigger, do not accept fan fire as a reason for this gun not working correctly.... if all else fails, get trading standards involved and ask the shop if they understand the terms 'not fit for purpose' and 'has not lasted a reasonable amount of time' your gun certainly is not fit for purpose, and has not lasted a reasonable amount of time. in anyones view, the gun has been repaired 4 times and is still not satisfactory.... time for a refund. did the fault occur within the first 6 months of ownership? and did the shop know that it was faulty within 6 months? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Underdog Posted June 10, 2015 Report Share Posted June 10, 2015 No, that is not fan firing. As said earlier it originates from using a fanned hand to work the hammer on a revolver whilst the other hand holds the trigger back. Nothing to do with shotguns, it is a deliberate act where as this guy is experiencing a fault. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Savhmr Posted June 10, 2015 Report Share Posted June 10, 2015 I'd say that after two years the seller (RFD) may have an argument that if this has only just been reported and the gun only carried (I'm guessing here) a one year warranty, you may have to deal with it under good will of the RFD and importer. If there are previous reported cases (and there seem to be) then it points towards a design/manufacturing defect and the importer should be pressed for a full refund otherwise trading standards ought to be informed as potentially this is could be a serious safety issue. I wouldn't use any gun that has unpredictable firing behaviour. You also have the shooting press (letters pages) if all else fails. These guns should not be sold with such shoddy mechanisms. The remedy might be relatively simple and even DIY but that's missing the point. A gun should be intrinsically safe in operation for the user and if it's not, then its not fit for purpose. I'm always reminded of an old adage that applies to many things in life: "buy cheap, buy twice". A used quality gun would be my preference to a cheap new gun. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brett1985 Posted June 10, 2015 Report Share Posted June 10, 2015 (edited) No, that is not fan firing. As said earlier it originates from using a fanned hand to work the hammer on a revolver whilst the other hand holds the trigger back. Nothing to do with shotguns, it is a deliberate act where as this guy is experiencing a fault. in the context of single action revolvers, your are correct... but, in the context of shotguns,i have heard on many occasions the term 'fan fire' used to describe what i explained by both shooters and gunsmiths alike. granted, you may not have heard it refered to like that, but it doesnt mean its not correct. i think we may have to agree to disagree Edited June 10, 2015 by brett1985 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scully Posted June 10, 2015 Report Share Posted June 10, 2015 I can find many examples of 'fanning' or 'fan fire' relating to pistols, but none to shotguns. Whatever the OP's RFD is telling him, it's bull doodah, the shotgun is double discharging and is not fit for purpose. He needs to demand a full refund like the other two cases I know of. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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