humperdingle Posted July 6, 2015 Report Share Posted July 6, 2015 Good for lifting doos out of neighbouring fields, I bet! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Savhmr Posted July 6, 2015 Report Share Posted July 6, 2015 6 shot or would 7 shot do the trick? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChrisAsh Posted July 7, 2015 Report Share Posted July 7, 2015 Don't forget the drone has probably videoed you well before you thought of shooting and the details recorded on the tablet operating the drone How do you estimate 50 meters when vertical distance is part of the equation its a minefield but anyway they can be lawfully operating in unrestricted airspace and could be operating for a very good reason just like the google cars recording your street Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Savhmr Posted July 7, 2015 Report Share Posted July 7, 2015 (edited) It amazes me that the UK is the most surveiled country in the world yet we are ok with even further intrusions into our privacy! I'm not ok with that as I find it very uncomfortable and unwelcome, irrespective of whether I'm doing nothing wrong, an intrusion into privacy is wrong. I think it unlikely that someone close by to a shooter was using a drone for anything other than badness or curiosity. I'd have gone over to them tout-suit and had words personally...If someone was spying on what I was doing I'd want to damned well know why. It would also give opportunity to advise those with genuine reason for using it of the presence of shooters if they were previously unaware and that their activities could well be spoiling a shoot. There will always be arguments for and against these things so it boils down to personal opinion and whether or not the use was in accordance with current Regulations. Edited July 7, 2015 by Savhmr Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rodp Posted July 7, 2015 Report Share Posted July 7, 2015 I suppose if they start to pester folk with these the answer is to put up dozens of tiny little barrage balloons Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kyska Posted July 7, 2015 Report Share Posted July 7, 2015 (edited) I'd shoot it, purely because I wouldn't be able to help myself. Who'd know that I did? We sit under a flight path to an airport, last time I pointed a drain pipe on my shoulder at a plane with a tea towel on my head I got 'told off'. Edited July 7, 2015 by kyska Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ben0850 Posted July 7, 2015 Report Share Posted July 7, 2015 We had a guy approach my brother in law last week and asked if he could film us drilling and rolling Kale, he was setting up in business and wanted the practice, he flew the quad copter alongside the fastrac and drill for about 20 mins and it's now on YouTube, quite a cracking piece of kit for survey work! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billy. Posted July 7, 2015 Report Share Posted July 7, 2015 99.9% of the time, a person will be flying over a field because it's a safe place to fly. The likelihood of anyone using it for untoward reasons is very low. Given the distance recognition of most cameras these carry, the person filming wouldn't be breaking any law filming you, unless you can be identified. From my experience, with a full HD camera, that distance is about 50ft. The question a person needs to check is if the person doing the filming is registered with the ICO for the data protection act for filming people. If they're not, then they can get in trouble. Only last month I was acosted by an angry parent who spotted our UAV way out in the distance (surveying farmland) and thought we were trying to film their children heading into school. Much like the shooting world, if you take the time to explain the laws, show what you were doing in a calm manner, regardless of what they're calling you, you will end up being able to carry on with what you are doing. Drones, UAVs or whatever you like to call them are truly a good thing; For the economy, jobs and for progressing the technology industry. If anyone has any questions they feel too shy to ask in this thread, or want clarification on the laws, please feel free to PM me. I hold all the necessary licences to fly these things in the UK. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
big bad lindz Posted July 9, 2015 Report Share Posted July 9, 2015 Have just had one out doing a survey of the rig flare stack. Managed to have a good chat with the operator and as stated before there are very strict rules about where they can fly them. The operators mentioned that most of the commercial operators have GPS installed and there flight paths can be traced but that wont be the case with private owned. It was great to watch and they can fly very fast, I would not like to guess the lead you would need to nail it. I managed to get some copies of pictures they took and there were fantastic with great definition and the drone was more than a 50 yards away. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LeadWasp Posted July 9, 2015 Report Share Posted July 9, 2015 (edited) Have just had one out doing a survey of the rig flare stack. Managed to have a good chat with the operator and as stated before there are very strict rules about where they can fly them. The operators mentioned that most of the commercial operators have GPS installed and there flight paths can be traced but that wont be the case with private owned. It was great to watch and they can fly very fast, I would not like to guess the lead you would need to nail it. I managed to get some copies of pictures they took and there were fantastic with great definition and the drone was more than a 50 yards away. As your ID says 'Dornoch' are you working around invergordon on stacked rigs then or is this an offshore platform? I used to 'commute' across the Cromarty Firth from Cromarty (Hotel) in a squidgy and the dolphins would play...I never actually wanted to get to the work site!! Edited July 9, 2015 by LeadWasp Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billy. Posted July 9, 2015 Report Share Posted July 9, 2015 (edited) Have just had one out doing a survey of the rig flare stack. Managed to have a good chat with the operator and as stated before there are very strict rules about where they can fly them. The operators mentioned that most of the commercial operators have GPS installed and there flight paths can be traced but that wont be the case with private owned. It was great to watch and they can fly very fast, I would not like to guess the lead you would need to nail it. I managed to get some copies of pictures they took and there were fantastic with great definition and the drone was more than a 50 yards away. It's kind of right, but kind of wrong the information you've been given. GPS logging is quite rare. We do carry black boxes onboard, but this is really for our own uses, or if the insurance company wants to get involved. We own a much smaller drone which does offer a history of the flights, but we aren't under any requirements to permanently keep these. However, we are happy to provide them on request. Most drones, be it private or commercial will have GPS, it's purely for a steadier flight. The GPS part is actually to do with keeping the drone locked to a strict coordinate column. Switching your GPS off will change a drone to move around like an ice hockey puck, or be pushed in the wind. On a windy day, with GPS on, you'll see a (professional) drone locking to a 20x20x20cm point, with the leading propellors tilted into the wind, fighting it to stay in place. If you physically dragged it away from the spot, it'll just fly back to where it was. The safety aspect is often confused. Your GPS is not there as a means of autopilot to bring it home if you can't be bothered, or feel unhappy with how it is flying. It is literally your lifeline if something bad happens and you can't fly it any longer. The correct procedure is to either ask your camera operator, spotter or whoever is stood with you to flick the Return To Home switch if the pilot becomes incapacitated. Then explain what the drone will do and where it will land. Most crashes happen when people show off how it flies itself and can land back home and forget that the drone will take a straight line approach home, into whatever obstacle they flew around Edited July 9, 2015 by Billy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaulJC Posted July 9, 2015 Report Share Posted July 9, 2015 It's kind of right, but kind of wrong the information you've been given. GPS logging is quite rare. We do carry black boxes onboard, but this is really for our own uses, or if the insurance company wants to get involved. We own a much smaller drone which does offer a history of the flights, but we aren't under any requirements to permanently keep these. However, we are happy to provide them on request. Most drones, be it private or commercial will have GPS, it's purely for a steadier flight. The GPS part is actually to do with keeping the drone locked to a strict coordinate column. Switching your GPS off will change a drone to move around like an ice hockey puck, or be pushed in the wind. On a windy day, with GPS on, you'll see a (professional) drone locking to a 20x20x20cm point, with the leading propellors tilted into the wind, fighting it to stay in place. If you physically dragged it away from the spot, it'll just fly back to where it was. The safety aspect is often confused. Your GPS is not there as a means of autopilot to bring it home if you can't be bothered, or feel unhappy with how it is flying. It is literally your lifeline if something bad happens and you can't fly it any longer. The correct procedure is to either ask your camera operator, spotter or whoever is stood with you to flick the Return To Home switch if the pilot becomes incapacitated. Then explain what the drone will do and where it will land. Most crashes happen when people show off how it flies itself and can land back home and forget that the drone will take a straight line approach home, into whatever obstacle they flew around That is spot on, GPS is mostly used for position hold, i have 2 Multirotors, both have GPS, one uses it specifically for holding it's position regardless of outside factors and has the option to 'return home' if required, something i think i have used once during initial testing... My other has full GPS waypoint flying capabilities, you can preprogram points on a map and it will fly between them fully automated... Commercial operations are very different to those owned privately but even privately there are rules to abide by, the trouble is now that Multirotors have been misused by those who don't know or are too ignorant to find out the rules and it has made them the subject of the news and the usual scare tactics that the media like to portray... Mine are fitted with HD camera's, and like most they are also fitted with wide angle lenses, it gives a viewpoint and perspective of 'landscapes' that are otherwise unexplorable by the average Joe, in order to get a clear image of a person that was recognisable it would almost have to be close enough you could hit it out of the sky with a big stick... You can still get impressive views even doing things legally, i'm insured, this is within the regulated rules and also above an official flying field, the wide angle makes it seem much higher/further away than it really is... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billy. Posted July 9, 2015 Report Share Posted July 9, 2015 (edited) Hmmmm... You're way above the 400ft legal limit in that photo. Here's a shot I took at 398ft this morning for a client, for comparison. Edited July 9, 2015 by Billy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaulJC Posted July 9, 2015 Report Share Posted July 9, 2015 Hmmmm... You're way above the 400ft legal limit in that photo. It may have been over 400ft but i didn't think it was tbh, that was a screen grab from a GoPro video set to wide pointing straight out which was flown line of sight and with no video downlink on my 680mm quad... I didn't have a video downlink at that point but do now, this one is using Naza V2, i'm not one for breaking rules so i'll get the OSD and use that for altitude or get the altitude telemetry module for my radio... Where abouts in Herts are you? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billy. Posted July 9, 2015 Report Share Posted July 9, 2015 It may have been over 400ft but i didn't think it was tbh, that was a screen grab from a GoPro video set to wide pointing straight out which was flown line of sight and with no video downlink on my 680mm quad... I didn't have a video downlink at that point but do now, this one is using Naza V2, i'm not one for breaking rules so i'll get the OSD and use that for altitude or get the altitude telemetry module for my radio... Where abouts in Herts are you? You don't need to have an IOSD module onboard. Just change the maximum altitude to 124M in the Naza settings. If you do, just get the IOSD mini. The pro version is too heavy to add to your frame. I'm near Harpenden. Let me know if you're about and I'll show you our stuff in flight. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaulJC Posted July 9, 2015 Report Share Posted July 9, 2015 You don't need to have an IOSD module onboard. Just change the maximum altitude to 124M in the Naza settings. If you do, just get the IOSD mini. The pro version is too heavy to add to your frame. I'm near Harpenden. Let me know if you're about and I'll show you our stuff in flight. Now why didnt i think of that! I'll do that before i next take it out Harpenden is not far from me at all, i may well take you up on that, i've only really got into multis this year and not really had a chance to fly much, i've just got myself an FPV 250 racer to play around with Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thepasty Posted July 9, 2015 Report Share Posted July 9, 2015 (edited) I did a load of FPV when it first became possible, home built everything, started with planes then moved to multicopter with the tri frame being my favourite. I was more into the piloting side of things than taking nice photos. Edited July 10, 2015 by thepasty Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billy. Posted July 10, 2015 Report Share Posted July 10, 2015 I did a load of FPV when it first became possible, home built everything, started with planes then moved to multicopter with the tri frame being my favourite. I was more into the piloting side of things than taking nice photos. One of my all time favourite builds was the Y6. It's such an amazing build and flies/flips like a dream! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thepasty Posted July 10, 2015 Report Share Posted July 10, 2015 and the Y6 looks killer! I built a mini one for woods flying, was pretty cool. But you cant beat the yaw control of a standard tri with servo controlling the rear prop, super fun to fly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Twistedsanity Posted July 10, 2015 Report Share Posted July 10, 2015 I looked into these a few years back and was under the impression the law was going to state that for any business or commercial purposes you would need a PPL in order to fly one? Or did that not happen? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billy. Posted July 10, 2015 Report Share Posted July 10, 2015 (edited) I looked into these a few years back and was under the impression the law was going to state that for any business or commercial purposes you would need a PPL in order to fly one? Or did that not happen? A PPL isn't necessary. However if you hold an ATPL you are exempt from the theory examinations. The ruling is that you pass a written and practical exam and your 'Permission For Aerial Work' is granted upon acceptance of an approved Operations Manual for your work and craft (that's the hardest bit). From start to finish, the quickest you could do all that is three months. Edited July 10, 2015 by Billy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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