stubby Posted July 13, 2015 Report Share Posted July 13, 2015 just received a temporary firearms licence as mine runs out today, essex police did this with my shotgun cert last year but it was only valid for a month and the full cert arrived within that month, but my temporary firearms has an expiry in november!!!!!! hope it dont take that long, anyway some wording on the covering letter is baffling me, maybe you guys can shed some light on it the permit only shows my rimfire rifle, sound mod and ammo, not my section 1 shotgun and the letter states we would advise you that any expanding ammunition you have in your possession should be lodged with a registered firearms dealer or other duly authorised person as of the expiry date of your current firearm certificate. this ammunition is classified under section 5 and cannot be added to a temporary permit as we recognise that this will leave you without the use of your possessed section 1 firearms for quarry shooting etc we will make every effort to expedite your renewal application and our enquiry officers are being requested to treat your application as a matter of urgency so does this mean until it's all sorted, the section 1 needs to stay in the cabinet ? is it even legal for me to have it here ? and what expanding ammo do they mean? I have subs for the rimfire and shotgun carts, that's it?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chris1961 Posted July 13, 2015 Report Share Posted July 13, 2015 That is a very Gray one that is due to their incompetence you could be breaching the law I personally ring them up to clarify the situation and put it in writing for you better safe than sorry Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luckyshot Posted July 13, 2015 Report Share Posted July 13, 2015 That is simple black and white as far as your rf goes you can use target ammunition only, your subs (ie expanding ammunition) you can't be in possession of. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scully Posted July 13, 2015 Report Share Posted July 13, 2015 What a sorry state of affairs our licensing system is. It's fast becoming a farce. Is it really any longer fit for purpose and what on earth are our shooting organisations doing while all this is going on? We pay good money to our licensing authorities and good money to our shooting organisations. Poor poor service, from either. You need to get in touch with your organisation and tell them to get this sorted or you wont be renewing. It would appear you are now in illegal possession of your own ammunition if you currently possess any of the expanding type, and as a S7 doesn't allow you to purchase ammunition, if you have no non-expanding ammo then you can't use your rifle, nor indeed your shotgun as it isn't included on your permit. You need to contact them regarding your S1 shotgun if nothing else. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CharlieT Posted July 13, 2015 Report Share Posted July 13, 2015 They have made a mistake, your S1 shotgun should be on it. Have a read of chapter 15 of the "Guidance" 15.2. Chief officers of police are authorised by section 7 of the 1968 Act to issue permits in circumstances when it would not be appropriate to issue a firearm or shotgun certificate, or to register a person as a firearms dealer. A permit can only be issued in respect of firearms and ammunition to which sections 1 or 2 of the 1968 Act apply, which the applicant for the renewal of a certificate or, in the case of a surviving relative or receiver, the previous holder of the certificate, was authorised to possess under section 1 of the Act. For example, a permit should be issued to authorise the temporary possession of firearms or ammunition by a relative or the executor of a deceased person or the receiver or liquidator of a bankrupt. 15.3. A permit may not be issued to authorise the purchase or acquisition of firearms or ammunition (although section 5(1) of the 1988 Act allows the holder of a permit to purchase section 2 shotgun ammunition). Firearms that are subject to section 5 of the 1968 Act, (for example firearms held under sections 2 to 8 of the 1997 Act), cannot be held on a permit. Chief Officers should complete basic background checks (PNC, local Intel and consider PND) to ensure the suitability of the applicant if it does not involve an existing certificate holder. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welshwarrior Posted July 13, 2015 Report Share Posted July 13, 2015 Phone them especially if you had your paperwork in to them on time, as the storage with an RFD is expensive, if they are tardy they are liable for the storage fees, remind them of this and get them to acknowledge they will receive the bill. You can use your rifles but not expanding ammo so no stalking etc. that needs section 5 ammo. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stubby Posted July 13, 2015 Author Report Share Posted July 13, 2015 That is simple black and white as far as your rf goes you can use target ammunition only, your subs (ie expanding ammunition) you can't be in possession of. Phone them especially if you had your paperwork in to them on time, as the storage with an RFD is expensive, if they are tardy they are liable for the storage fees, remind them of this and get them to acknowledge they will receive the bill. You can use your rifles but not expanding ammo so no stalking etc. that needs section 5 ammo. I've only ever had the subs on the ticket, told them at the start I'd never use target ammo, so in effect, get rid of my subs, cant use the rimfire at all, or the section 1, I'll get on the phone Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
casts_by_fly Posted July 13, 2015 Report Share Posted July 13, 2015 Stubby, How long ago did you apply for the renewal? Rick Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stubby Posted July 14, 2015 Author Report Share Posted July 14, 2015 so get this, I phone up and ask why the sec1 shotgun is not on the temp ticket, and they say, it's because you don't own one yet, you have the permission too, but as yet you have not acquired one ?? so I say, SORRY!!!!!! I sent you all the details when purchased, as did the shop where it was bought, so start giving her the details,serial number etc, she then reads off the rest of serial number before I can give it?? so you have got the details I say ?? yes she say's, but it's not recorded on your firearms ticket, someone here has added it to you shotgun certificate details new temp cert on it's way, plus a note to get the cert sorted within a week, I won't hold my breath Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scully Posted July 14, 2015 Report Share Posted July 14, 2015 Have you contacted your shooting organisation yet, told them what's going on and asked what they can do? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scully Posted July 16, 2015 Report Share Posted July 16, 2015 Any news? I'd be interested in their reply, or are you not a member of any shooting org'? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stubby Posted July 28, 2015 Author Report Share Posted July 28, 2015 had my visit today, the cert is getting pushed through top priority as I'm a pest controller, everything looks good so will just wait and see how long it takes to get here Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sha Bu Le Posted July 28, 2015 Report Share Posted July 28, 2015 had my visit today, the cert is getting pushed through top priority as I'm a pest controller, everything looks good so will just wait and see how long it takes to get here But not very long I hope.............say 1 month max then start phoning. However I know they are a law unto themselves so who knows. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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