sako751sg Posted November 23, 2015 Report Share Posted November 23, 2015 Where are these clubs so some of us can try to join one for some shooting? Ill quote you both as bakerboy seems to have not noticed your query but im sure he will give the info shorty unless he has already PMd you fella. Costs/Charges NFU £0.00 BASC members £0.00 Non-members £72.00 pa BASC Full membership £72.00 pa If a club is formed £11.00 rebate on membership As a BASC member the cost to you is, -£11.00, yes –minus £11.00 If you are doing what the Farmer asks, the Farmer will not phone BASC he has no need Who vets people going on to farms now to shoot? I have only been vetted the once. So where is the problem? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David BASC Posted November 23, 2015 Report Share Posted November 23, 2015 Clubs, not just pigeon shooting clubs but all sorts of clubs and syndicates that are affiliated to BASC that have places can and do advertise on the BASC web site for free, but to be honest at this time of year most clubs are pretty full, so we write to all our affiliated clubs in early Spring time asking them if they have any vacancies. These then go onto the GoShooting part of the BASC web here: http://goshooting.org.uk/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sean Richo Posted November 23, 2015 Report Share Posted November 23, 2015 Why don't Basc run things as a democracy. They have all our records on details why not ask us all as members if that is what we want BASC to do that way it's fair. It does seem a little bit underhand there was no mention of it in the magazine they publish. Unfortunately like a lot of charities these days organisations like this are keeping a lot of people in work and high paid jobs with lots of perks the money has got to come from somewhere. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sean Richo Posted November 23, 2015 Report Share Posted November 23, 2015 On the other hand as a matter of interest has anybody had some really good help off BASC I have heard that they are really good for certain things but I don't think this idea is their best could be treading on toes. For information and legal matters they are probably good but as for a sporting agency definately not Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grrclark Posted November 23, 2015 Report Share Posted November 23, 2015 Why don't Basc run things as a democracy. They have all our records on details why not ask us all as members if that is what we want BASC to do that way it's fair. It does seem a little bit underhand there was no mention of it in the magazine they publish. Unfortunately like a lot of charities these days organisations like this are keeping a lot of people in work and high paid jobs with lots of perks the money has got to come from somewhere. It is democracy, you elect the people that you want involved in the running to sit on the BASC council. If you don't think any of them are up to the job then campaign and canvas and get yourself nominated for the election. As for asking all of the members, have you any idea of the logistics that would be involved in asking 150,000 or so people for their opinion on everything the organisation may choose to do? If we were lucky they would be able to do about 4 things a year as all the rest of the time would be spent on administration of managing a ballot process. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bluebarrels Posted November 23, 2015 Report Share Posted November 23, 2015 Problem around my area many shooters have thousands of acres of permission,keep it all to themselves and never invite any guns/newcomers out for a day, and only shoot the land themselves once in a blue moon People if you want to stop these sort of clubs forming get a grip and share the shooting BB Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest stevo Posted November 23, 2015 Report Share Posted November 23, 2015 Problem around my area many shooters have thousands of acres of permission,keep it all to themselves and never invite any guns/newcomers out for a day, and only shoot the land themselves once in a blue moon People if you want to stop these sort of clubs forming get a grip and share the shooting BB have you ever considered that maybe they cant take anyone on there land , I have a fair bit of land over a few farms , and I have been asked NOT to take anyone else buy land owners , or maybe these shooters have been shafted in the past , or just let down , even on here I have read stories posted by members on here who have had one or all of the above problems , or had bad experience's with disrespectful shooters , I for one wouldn't want people like that on my shoots . would you ? I work too hard , spend too much money , time and effort and respect my shoots to take the chance Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sean Richo Posted November 23, 2015 Report Share Posted November 23, 2015 if they have the resources to organise pigeon shorting they have the resources to ask us what they think Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bluebarrels Posted November 23, 2015 Report Share Posted November 23, 2015 have you ever considered that maybe they cant take anyone on there land , I have a fair bit of land over a few farms , and I have been asked NOT to take anyone else buy land owners , or maybe these shooters have been shafted in the past , or just let down , even on here I have read stories posted by members on here who have had one or all of the above problems , or had bad experience's with disrespectful shooters , I for one wouldn't want people like that on my shoots . would you ? I work too hard , spend too much money , time and effort and respect my shoots to take the chance All the above are fair points However you know as well as most on here,there are many GREEDY shooters who have masses of land and could never provide a good service to the farmer in a million years. Luckily I have enough permission to keep me happy,but my farmer is happy enough to let me take another gun as long as I take responsibility for them,to be truthful they have always been sensible and respectful,guess I have been lucky or a good judge of character BB Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
magman Posted November 23, 2015 Report Share Posted November 23, 2015 OK can i ask a question !! as PW is one of the biggest internet sites for pigeon shooters how many have been contacted (or contacted ) BASC about the free shooting ? Or maybe it's a bit like the masons and keep in house so to speak Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
subsonicnat Posted November 23, 2015 Report Share Posted November 23, 2015 OK can i ask a question !! as PW is one of the biggest internet sites for pigeon shooters how many have been contacted (or contacted ) BASC about the free shooting ? Or maybe it's a bit like the masons and keep in house so to speak We are probably not just talking pidgeon Shooting Either, How about you Full Bore Shooters.. Loads of the in boys queing up for that too, Free as Well..?? To Their Mates.. Thin end of the Wedge, Mark my Words.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fenboy Posted November 23, 2015 Report Share Posted November 23, 2015 OK can i ask a question !! as PW is one of the biggest internet sites for pigeon shooters how many have been contacted (or contacted ) BASC about the free shooting ? Or maybe it's a bit like the masons and keep in house so to speak No point in asking anyone on here , we are all too busy arguing with each other to have time to spare to actually shoot from anywhere but our armchairs Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bakerboy Posted November 23, 2015 Report Share Posted November 23, 2015 I have not made contact, but then again I have enough some say too much land to shoot over.If I was starting out, I would (I believe) contact BASC. If you do not make contact you will not get a call. It is a difficult one to call really. If the Farmers in your area do not call BASC then BASC cannot call you, and I do not suppose BASC will phone at the end of a given period informing people that "there have no calls this period" Do I think the scheme will be successful? we will have to wait and see I suppose. If anyone gets a call lets hope they will let us all know. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CharlieT Posted November 23, 2015 Author Report Share Posted November 23, 2015 As for asking all of the members, have you any idea of the logistics that would be involved in asking 150,000 or so people for their opinion on everything the organisation may choose to do? If we were lucky they would be able to do about 4 things a year as all the rest of the time would be spent on administration of managing a ballot process. Playing Devil's advocate for a moment, but even the most insensative BASC council member must have realised that such a move would have ruffled a few pigeon shooter feathers. With todays electronic communications it can hardly be described as a logistical nightmare for BASC to gague members oppinion on such matters. Something as simple as a poll on their website or in their magazine can hardly be equated to running a general election. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
andrewluke Posted November 23, 2015 Report Share Posted November 23, 2015 it wont be long before the pigeon guides will find these "problem areas" and then we'll be in trouble!, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bakerboy Posted November 23, 2015 Report Share Posted November 23, 2015 No point in asking anyone on here , we are all too busy arguing with each other to have time to spare to actually shoot from anywhere but our armchairs Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest stevo Posted November 23, 2015 Report Share Posted November 23, 2015 (edited) All the above are fair points However you know as well as most on here,there are many GREEDY shooters who have masses of land and could never provide a good service to the farmer in a million years. Luckily I have enough permission to keep me happy,but my farmer is happy enough to let me take another gun as long as I take responsibility for them,to be truthful they have always been sensible and respectful,guess I have been lucky or a good judge of character BB like you BB I have a very good relationship with my landowners ( there all mates of mine ) even my shooting buddy is one of the landowners sons , yes im lucky I know that and I respect that . its the poor ****** that has a little shoot but cant get out as often as he/she would like too due to whatever reason , but that's doesn't mean there not committed to the cause , its those folk I feel sorry for , I think ( and this is just my opinion ) a lot of the problem is syndicates and some shooters selling pigeon shooting as to why a lot of shooting cant be gained for free , but that's another story Edited November 23, 2015 by stevo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grrclark Posted November 23, 2015 Report Share Posted November 23, 2015 (edited) Playing Devil's advocate for a moment, but even the most insensative BASC council member must have realised that such a move would have ruffled a few pigeon shooter feathers. With todays electronic communications it can hardly be described as a logistical nightmare for BASC to gague members oppinion on such matters. Something as simple as a poll on their website or in their magazine can hardly be equated to running a general election. Devil's advocate is good I agree a simple internet poll is a simple thing to arrange, directing people towards that is more of a challenge, but let's say that there is a decent response. 20,000 people vote and 8,000 (40%) people say that it is not a good idea, so 60% do and BASC follow the majority. That means they have knowingly gone against 40% of their membership that were engaged enough to respond, even although they went with the majority choice the 40% will be bent right out of shape. Directly polled for an opinion and that opinion is ignored. It doesn't matter that the opinion might be in the minority they were still asked and ignored. BASC will then have also set a dangerous precedent, if they have a poll for something as trivial as an advert in the NFU magazine what do they then do when it is a really contentious issue or the next time they do something without a poll? What about the people that don't like either choice and want a different option entirely? they are now bent out of shape because they were not even considered. No matter what they do it will upset somebody somewhere so accept that is going to happen anyway and just crack on following your best judgement. For what it's worth I expect that in relative terms that it will benefit a handful of shooters and disadvantage none that already have a secured permission. The much bigger problem is pigeon shooting guides that want to charge for shooting and can convince farmers that there is a few extra quid in it for them. Edited November 23, 2015 by grrclark Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OJW Posted November 23, 2015 Report Share Posted November 23, 2015 (edited) I am a BASC member and respect the work you do. However, I think you are joining the pigeon party too late. The impression I get from these boards is that there isn't a farmhouse door left in the land that hasn't been knocked on by a would-be pest controller with a business card after some shooting. Furthermore pigeon shooting is becoming commercialised with farmers charging directly or people like Matt Cole (Pigeon shooting Leicestershire) or Will Beasley (Thames Valley Pigeon shooting) paying for the rights and taking clients out across vast swathes of land. Unfortunately even the NPPC seems pretty outdated these days. I say that having been a member myself and again through the impression I get from these boards where thousands of pigeon fanatics/members hardly mention NPPC other than to ask whether it is worth joining, receiving minimal responses. Another issue is that you will have limited control over the clubs you create, what's stopping the Club Sec only offering shooting to his mates or taking paying clients out on the sly to turn a profit? The farmer wouldn't know. Can't you just get permission yourselves on some massive farms, set up permanent hides and offer shooting directly to your members on those farms? You could pick certain dates and make sure a BASC rep was there to supervise and even run master classes for young guns and novice shooters. Sorry to be pessimistic, but it doesn't seem like there is a pigeon shooter shortage at all. If anything individuals methods of gaining precious permissions and keeping them have become more advanced as competition has risen. Combine this with the commercial aspects I mentioned, plus all the traditional permissions held by private regular shooters and it seems this area of our sport is already fully monopolised. Edited November 23, 2015 by OJW Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrowningB525 Posted November 23, 2015 Report Share Posted November 23, 2015 I'd sign up to this as a shooter. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Will Beasley Posted January 29, 2016 Report Share Posted January 29, 2016 it wont be long before the pigeon guides will find these "problem areas" and then we'll be in trouble!, Believe me.......We wont be going anywhere near this. The "problem areas" you speak of will be full of problems much bigger than the Pigeon damage. It'll all collapse in a year or two's time after its become a squabbling mess between Shooters, BASC/NFU, and the landowners themselves. I'll be continuing to serve the farms I look after as best I can....as I have been for the last 23 years. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikee Posted February 1, 2016 Report Share Posted February 1, 2016 if BASC are going to try and take my shooting away I will soon find another insurer and ******** to BASC, theyre here to help us not take over, when they loos 25000 members they will wish they had left pigeon shooting alone Mikee Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David BASC Posted February 1, 2016 Report Share Posted February 1, 2016 (edited) We have been over this time and time again...BASC is not looking to take anyone's shooting away - why would we? As I have said time and time again, if the famer or other landowner is perfectly happy with you controlling their pigeon and or other pests why would they contact us and ask someone else to do it? It just isn't going to happen is it? Trying to help members by uncovering new shooting opportunities is what this is all about, nothing more nothing less. I accept that many of you have plenty of shooting, but would it surprise you to know that one of the top requests from members is where to find shooting? Edited February 1, 2016 by David BASC Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
anser2 Posted February 1, 2016 Report Share Posted February 1, 2016 (edited) Sorry David the effect is that the shooters who already have pigeon shooting will have to share it with BASC members. Almost every farm in the UK already has someone shooting pigeons or rabbits on their farms and these are the people who who are going to lose out by having to share their shooting. This will mean reduced sport for all as if the birds are harried almost every day then they will become much more wary and harder to get on terms with. BASC should be backing shooting in every way it can , but it should not be in the busness of providing shooting for its members. That's up to the individual to find his own sport. Shooting is a finite resource which is already very close to its max of availibity , BASC by providing shooting for its members will exceed that availibity and unless you are prepared to pay shooting rents for pigeon shooting those of us who already have our pigeon shooting will lose out big time. Edited February 1, 2016 by anser2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
anser2 Posted February 1, 2016 Report Share Posted February 1, 2016 (edited) I accept that many of you have plenty of shooting, but would it surprise you to know that one of the top requests from members is where to find shooting? If you do not know how to find our shooting then you should be questioning if you should be shooting at all. Its one of the basic skills of the sport , to get to know your local farmers and when asked be prepared to take on the shooting , not have to have someone else give it to you on a plate. I had to wait 10 years to get my pigeon shooting when the existing guy who shot pigeon on the estate gave up shooting. During that time I cultivated contacts on the estate and when they had pigeon problems they rang me and slowly the availibity of shooting snowballed as other farmers heard about me by word of mouth. Edited February 1, 2016 by anser2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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