Dekers Posted April 8, 2016 Report Share Posted April 8, 2016 (edited) The comparison is simple 25p per shot and throw away or 38p-40p a shot and reload. Simples. Sorry, that doesn't follow at all, it takes no account of power, noise, land, quarry, or anything else except money, you may just as well compare a hornet to a .243, the difference in reloading cost is similar! ...and many people don't reload anyway! Edit I don't buy guns on what they cost, I buy them for what I need to do! Edited April 8, 2016 by Dekers Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mick miller Posted April 8, 2016 Author Report Share Posted April 8, 2016 (edited) Eh? What are you gong on about? Powder, noise, land, quarry? A little more powder, same noise, same land, virtually the same projectile, same quarry.I buy guns not on cost, but what I need them to do reliably. My 243 reliable, my FAC air reliable, my hornet is now reliable, my hmr, unreliable.To compare 17 hornet to 243 is tosh, the closest calibre to it is 17hmr, it's just a centrefire rather than a rimfire.Head shot rabbits are no different shot with an hmr or hornet, you wouldn't use an hmr anywhere you couldn't use a 17 hornet.Many don't reload, that's why I've said elsewhere that it's not an alternative for a lot of people, but for those willing to reload it's the perfect, reliable, truly fox capable replacement. Edited April 8, 2016 by mick miller Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dekers Posted April 8, 2016 Report Share Posted April 8, 2016 OK, you win, a HMR is tosh and a waste of time and money, everyone should bin theirs and get a 17 Hornet! Have a nice day! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whitebridges Posted April 8, 2016 Report Share Posted April 8, 2016 (edited) No No No Dekers, do not cave in. 17hmr is a great bunny round. I have ****** all time to sit there and reload a "faster and better" .17 cf round when the .17hmr is perfect for my needs. I have never ever has a bad .17 hmr round ( I shoot Hormady, some Winchester) and have shot 000's. But heyho each to their own Edited April 8, 2016 by Whitebridges Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whitebridges Posted April 8, 2016 Report Share Posted April 8, 2016 The comparison is simple 25p per shot and throw away or 38p-40p a shot and reload. Simples. Rubbish, i'm sorry. Not if you earn even 500 quid an hour like some people do. Your maths can only add up if it's a leisure time activity. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dekers Posted April 8, 2016 Report Share Posted April 8, 2016 Just off to try my HMR on the fox and the bunnies, hopefully not too late tonight, the fox has been turning up just after dark recently and only about a 22 yard shot, having said that the HMR is nearly down to 200ft lb by then so maybe I need a Hornet! ATB! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dougy Posted April 8, 2016 Report Share Posted April 8, 2016 (edited) For me its not a money issue but a confidence issue, I lost confidence in my HMR about 2 years ago, and felt that unsure about if I was going to get a fizz bang or pop out of it and have a 17 bullet stuck in the barrel that I started to take my cleaning rod out with me to remove the bullets. The last thing I want is wincing when I squeeze the trigger.. I would have been out with it just about every nice evening rabbiting, lord knows how many rounds its had through it, I can only guess at around 8000 give or take a few 100. Its a great shame as I have never ever intended on selling any of my purchases, rifles or anything else. Dekers happy shooting and enjoy Edited April 8, 2016 by Dougy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mick miller Posted April 8, 2016 Author Report Share Posted April 8, 2016 (edited) Rubbish, i'm sorry. Not if you earn even 500 quid an hour like some people do. Your maths can only add up if it's a leisure time activity. Is this Norfolk logic at its best? Are you really saying it only makes sense if you earn £500 an hour (or not even then)? Yes, guess what, reloading IS a leisure time activity. But do you know how long, or rather how short, an amount of time it takes to do? I can load 50 rounds in under an hour. But as neither of you seem to have an interest in the 17 hornet I do wonder why you both keep chucking your six penneth in? Plenty of people (hundreds if not thousands) report problems with the hmr, but I guess they're all dummies and you two have it right. It's a great, cheap bunny gun, but there is better for not a great deal more effort. Ho hum. Edited April 8, 2016 by mick miller Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tweedledee Posted April 8, 2016 Report Share Posted April 8, 2016 Love my hornet.bought as it was just what I needed for my ground and my quarry. So impressed with it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dekers Posted April 9, 2016 Report Share Posted April 9, 2016 My apologies if I have contributed to taking this thread a little off track, and for clarification, I have nothing bad to say about the .17 Hornet. Let me refer back to my #27 ...... ...and leave it there. ATB! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joe soapy Posted April 9, 2016 Report Share Posted April 9, 2016 Or go half way and get a WSM 17, if and when CZ come out with one Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mick miller Posted April 9, 2016 Author Report Share Posted April 9, 2016 Yes, given the horrendous problems I've seen with Mach2 I'm steering clear of rimfires from now on. Although the 22 is still a fantastic tool over the right ground I just never found a use for it. Small fields, paddocks and places where I can plot up the FAC rapid does everything I want (for peanuts), the hmr is a grab it and go bunny gun, now being replaced by the hornet as it gives me more options over the same ground. Everything else gets the 243 which is such a versatile caliber I can load everything from 55gn up to 100gn, ballistic tipped or soft point. I might get a 308 or something of that ilk but it would be an out and out paper puncher. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whitebridges Posted April 9, 2016 Report Share Posted April 9, 2016 Is this Norfolk logic at its best? Are you really saying it only makes sense if you earn £500 an hour (or not even then)? Yes, guess what, reloading IS a leisure time activity. But do you know how long, or rather how short, an amount of time it takes to do? I can load 50 rounds in under an hour. But as neither of you seem to have an interest in the 17 hornet I do wonder why you both keep chucking your six penneth in? Plenty of people (hundreds if not thousands) report problems with the hmr, but I guess they're all dummies and you two have it right. It's a great, cheap bunny gun, but there is better for not a great deal more effort. Ho hum. Easy tiger. My reply is nothing whatsoever to do with the county i happen to reside in. So a clever boy like you can reload 50 rounds in a hour. Good for you chum. So you are twenty five quid up! Ho hum hum hum. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steve_b_wales Posted April 9, 2016 Report Share Posted April 9, 2016 Let's keep this thread friendly guys, or yet another one may have to be closed down. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dekers Posted April 10, 2016 Report Share Posted April 10, 2016 Yes, given the horrendous problems I've seen with Mach2 I'm steering clear of rimfires from now on. Although the 22 is still a fantastic tool over the right ground I just never found a use for it. Small fields, paddocks and places where I can plot up the FAC rapid does everything I want (for peanuts), the hmr is a grab it and go bunny gun, now being replaced by the hornet as it gives me more options over the same ground. Everything else gets the 243 which is such a versatile caliber I can load everything from 55gn up to 100gn, ballistic tipped or soft point. I might get a 308 or something of that ilk but it would be an out and out paper puncher. given the horrendous problems I've seen with Mach2 Can you elaborate please, I have heard of odd issues with both people who run HM2 in the UK, but I am not aware of horrendous problems with Mach2. Cheers Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mick miller Posted April 10, 2016 Author Report Share Posted April 10, 2016 Yes, exploding rounds. Very handy. Oddly, nothing Ive bought for a centrefire goes poof and then lodges a bullet up the barrel, explodes in the magazine, nearly losing me my digits. Maybe I'm just lucky? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dekers Posted April 10, 2016 Report Share Posted April 10, 2016 Ok, I'm curious about this as HM2 issues have not been big on the horizon as far as I'm aware, perhaps I've just missed it or perhaps the HM2 take up in the UK is so small there has been a vocal minority. This thread has wondered enough, but I am genuinely interested to hear more on HM2 issues, so I'll start another thread! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Savhmr Posted April 10, 2016 Report Share Posted April 10, 2016 (edited) Back on thread, as I see it, it's not whether you like or agree with the argument(s) for 17 Hornet. It's about confidence and reliability for longer range vermin shooting where the HMR for many simply isn't up to scratch (possibly never was). I'm in the camp of those who've shot 1000's of HMR rounds, and in all that time, trying all sorts of cleaning regimes, it was NEVER a consistent performer and never endeared itself to me as reliable or confidence inspiring. I stuck with it as I thought it was cheap and the odd stray round was worth the price of its advantages for bunny and crow bashing at ranges beyond the 22LR's practical abilities. It proved anything but a cheap round with the wastage and frequent re-zeroing needed with every other batch. Why I stuck with it all those years I'll never know but I don't miss it one little bit. The final straw was getting repeated frequent squib rounds in the chamber from both Hornady and Remington, and having some fail to eject meaning I'd have to carry a thin bladed screwdriver to get the round out....nuts and totally unacceptable as a serious tool for the job imho . The HMR may well have its place for some lucky enough to have never suffered any of these problems but it will never have any place again in my gun cabinet. I thought about the 17 Hornet, but thought that if going that route, a 20 cal would buck the wind better and make more sense, but then settled on 223. It is cheaper to load and 243, quieter to shoot (in fact I notice little difference with a decent mod between it and the HMR!) and I can head shoot longer range bunnies and save the meat using soft point bullets rather than ballistic tips with explosive expansion (great for crows though!). That implies a certain degree of accuracy but you'd need that with 17 cal too. Agree with Mick to some extent about the 22LR. It seems something and nothing to me now as for the areas that I can get close to bunnies, I rarely shoot them beyond 40yds, so the air rifle is used. I also use the air rifle around the barns for rats and feral pigeon control. The 22 LR has its place but is used much less frequently than the 223. Not to say it isn't a necessary tool, as some instances fall in between the air rifle and the 223 so it will always have a place in the gun cabinet. Re-loading isn't cheap by any means but it is cheaper than factory if you shoot a lot (which I do). I can reload 223 for 44p/cartridge bearing in mind the number of firings a case can safely have. Each to their own but I completely understand where Mick is coming from. As others on here have said, it's a confidence thing and picking the right tool for your needs. I'm not one for following fashionable firearm trends, and don't see a need (or a point come to that) for a 17 Hornet but others will. What's right for one won't be right for another. We can all argue 'till the cows come home about the relative costs or ballistic advantages of one calibre over another but that's a pointless, utterly meaningless circular argument. You pick what's right for you, what gives you confidence and gets the job done, what is reliable and what you can justify in cost terms and what you personally prefer shooting. Our shooting quarry and ground is all different. there is no such thing as one pill fits all. Happy hunting. Shame a bit of heat has crept into what started as a civil thread but sadly drifted. There's enough anti's having a bash at us gents without us having a pop at each other. Civility costs nothing and glad to see things have calmed down on this thread a bit . Edited April 10, 2016 by Savhmr Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dougy Posted April 10, 2016 Report Share Posted April 10, 2016 Savhmr, Very good post, that's what I was trying to say nearly Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mick miller Posted April 10, 2016 Author Report Share Posted April 10, 2016 Ooh, first fox with the hornet tonight, need to ping it in daylight but I'm guessing 100-120 yards, right where I pointed it, boiler room. Quick turn on the spot and down. Job jobbed for me The neighbours all blissfully unaware, unlike with the 243,the keeper will be pleased when I tell him tomorrow. Now all I need is the rat to wander over my Fenn trap in the barn next door and I'll have the crappiest mc.nab ever. Pigeon, fox, rat all in the same day Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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