Latest update to Policing and Crime Bill 19 April

[Steel100]

Well,

 

Have a read. If this goes through without further material amendments we will see some quite significant benefits.

 

Rarely, do we get good news!

 

Expanding ammo and bullets back to s1 from s5; clearer wording on who can borrow a gun; s1 shotguns and long barrelled pistols available to HO Approved clubs and one or two other things.

 

 

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Publication: Notices of Amendments as at 19 April 2016

19-04-2016 11:17 PM BST

 

[The Mighty Prawn]

The clearing up of the conditions relating to borrowing a gun is fantastic and ends years of random interpretations!

[Steel100]

They've also added the bit about 'other relevant stakeholders' to Clause 107 (NOT as erroneously referred to, Clause 81).

 

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[robbiep]

Did this bit really say what it seems to, the end of S.7 temporary tickets ?

 

At the end of section 28A add—

 

Where an individual has applied for the renewal of a certificate before its expiry but the chief constable has not,

as at the date of its expiry, determined whether or not to grant the renewal, the certificate is to continue to have

effect until the application is determined.

[oowee]

Just received a reply from my MP Jacob Rees Mogg the bill is in committee stage so many changes ahead are likely. Both the police and interested parties are to be consulted as the statutory guidance is developed. He has made representations to Theresa May on my ( ) behalf.

 

Thats that sorted then

[Andy H]

where does it say expanding ammo going back to section 1.

[robbiep]

where does it say expanding ammo going back to section 1.

 

Section 5 (1A) (f) which is proposed to be deleted, deals with the general prohibition on expanding ammunition.

 

Section 5A(4), (5), (6), (7) and (8) which are proposed to be deleted, deal with authority to acquire expanding ammunition.

Edited April 20, 2016 by robbiep

[Steel100]

Robbiep - This would negate the need for a s7 permit, where the licensing department is not re-issuing a cert in good time. However, there are other reasons for the existence of a s7 permit - e.g. executors of the estates of deceased shooters.

 

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[robbiep]

Robbiep - This would negate the need for a s7 permit, where the licensing department is not re-issuing a cert in good time. However, there are other reasons for the existence of a s7 permit - e.g. executors of the estates of deceased shooters.

 

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Yes, well put. S.7s will still be needed in those cases.

However it would make life a lot easier for certificate holders if police fall behind on renewals. And with the abolition of S.5 ammunition, it would mean that people could keep hold of and use hunting ammunition in such circumstances too.

[Scully]

Yes, well put. S.7s will still be needed in those cases.

However it would make life a lot easier for certificate holders if police fall behind on renewals. And with the abolition of S.5 ammunition, it would mean that people could keep hold of and use hunting ammunition in such circumstances too.

 

Methinks this could well be the reasoning behind this possibility. I'm not aware of any licensing authority which has demanded a S5 ammo owner to lodge all such bullets and ammunition with a RFD until new tickets have been issued, and to do so would be simply ridiculous. Makes much more sense to do away with a piece of ineffectual and illogical piece of legislation altogether.

Like much of licensing legislation, it would seem parts of it have been passed with the intention being purely one of making the entire process as difficult as possible for the applicant, while doubly serving to have absolutely no impact on the safety of the general public.

[robbiep]

 

Methinks this could well be the reasoning behind this possibility. I'm not aware of any licensing authority which has demanded a S5 ammo owner to lodge all such bullets and ammunition with a RFD until new tickets have been issued, and to do so would be simply ridiculous. Makes much more sense to do away with a piece of ineffectual and illogical piece of legislation altogether.

Like much of licensing legislation, it would seem parts of it have been passed with the intention being purely one of making the entire process as difficult as possible for the applicant, while doubly serving to have absolutely no impact on the safety of the general public.

Yes. And as different laws have been brought in, they haven't 'meshed' with the Firearms Act, and there are even cases where they contradict it, or can make crimes where none should exist.

 

For example, consider a 17 year old who lives on a farm and does pest control there. He has 'good reason' and applies for FAC air. Which he then has to keep secure, etc, etc.

His father doesn't want to bother with a certificate (and they don't live in Scotland), so he just has a sub-12 air rifle for his own use.

The father, however, has to keep the sub-12 locked away from the son.

Because of the VCRA, there is NO way, in law, for the son to legally have independent access to the gun. Even though he has access to his own, far more powerful, FAC airgun.

 

Now, that may well be pretty rare. But it is ridiculous that a 17 year old who has been adjudged responsible enough to hold a FAC can not, under any circumstances, have access to a sub-12 rifle.

[ninja_fox]

Robbiep - This would negate the need for a s7 permit, where the licensing department is not re-issuing a cert in good time.

 

Presumably no RFD will sell you ammunition on an expired ticket though still, so it lets you hold your firearms but not use them?

[Paul223]

Presumably no RFD will sell you ammunition on an expired ticket though still, so it lets you hold your firearms but not use them?

And takes pressure off the renewal, so you might wait months...years?