Scully Posted April 23, 2016 Report Share Posted April 23, 2016 let them take the blame for dead birds shot out of season, leaving eggs or worse, chicks, in the nest! Plenty would just murder them and leave those young or adolescents to fail more is the pity. I'm totally indifferent as to how anyone controls Canadas, but closed seasons don't apply to quarry shot as pests, nor can they be murdered. Pedantic maybe, and I know there are many who have good reason to resent the shooting of Canadas as pests, but there are also those who have good reason to regard them as pests. Let's not get carried away. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dekers Posted April 23, 2016 Report Share Posted April 23, 2016 the post i replied to did not mention canada goose **** and you said "It is a pain, and causes issues to loads of other wildlife" you did not say birds Noun 1. wildlife - all living things (except people) that are undomesticated. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
andrewluke Posted April 23, 2016 Report Share Posted April 23, 2016 Noun 1.wildlife - all living things (except people) that are undomesticated. read what you said in the posts i replied to Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dekers Posted April 23, 2016 Report Share Posted April 23, 2016 read what you said in the posts i replied to I have no idea what you are talking about. The Canada Goose is a big problem in many areas to many people, wildlife, flora and fauna. The Pheasant isn't anything like so bad! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
anser2 Posted April 23, 2016 Report Share Posted April 23, 2016 (edited) They flocks you have posted up are tiny deckers. We have huge numbers of geese , there have been up to 90,000 on my local marsh and its common to see 20,000 on a field of winter wheat and yet our farmers only shoot a few in season and if they are a problem out of season they use scare rockets and they work very well. Some people just like to kill stuff for the sake of it when they are breeding. canadas used to be an important quarry species around me , but over shooting has caused a major drop in numbers and now they are getting scarce. The last chance I had to shoot one was three years ago and I have not seen one on my local marshes this season where once they were common. Too many pheasants can cause quite a bit of damage to sprouting corn in spring. Edited April 23, 2016 by anser2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oowee Posted April 23, 2016 Author Report Share Posted April 23, 2016 They flocks you have posted up are tiny deckers. We have huge numbers of geese , there have been up to 90,000 on my local marsh and its common to see 20,000 on a field of winter wheat and yet our farmers only shoot a few in season and if they are a problem out of season they use scare rockets and they work very well. Some people just like to kill stuff for the sake of it when they are breeding. Too many pheasants can cause quite a bit of damage to sprouting corn in spring. The rockets dont seem to be working so well with these numbers? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
anser2 Posted April 23, 2016 Report Share Posted April 23, 2016 (edited) Wrong, the rockets work very well and move them off the crops if needed and they rarely return for some time , if at all. If over done they will cause the geese to leave the whole area. Edited April 23, 2016 by anser2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dekers Posted April 24, 2016 Report Share Posted April 24, 2016 (edited) They flocks you have posted up are tiny deckers. We have huge numbers of geese , there have been up to 90,000 on my local marsh and its common to see 20,000 on a field of winter wheat and yet our farmers only shoot a few in season and if they are a problem out of season they use scare rockets and they work very well. Some people just like to kill stuff for the sake of it when they are breeding. canadas used to be an important quarry species around me , but over shooting has caused a major drop in numbers and now they are getting scarce. The last chance I had to shoot one was three years ago and I have not seen one on my local marshes this season where once they were common. Too many pheasants can cause quite a bit of damage to sprouting corn in spring. You are a Wildfowler, I am a Pest Controller, you are a sportsman, I get paid to sort problems! If you want some Canada to shoot move inland, because that's where all the Canada's are. Canada Geese are taking over from other wildfowl and wildlife and causing problems, moving them any way you like spreads the problem wider, it does not in any way reduce the problem. Hence why they are on several GL. As for......... "Some people just like to kill stuff for the sake of it when they are breeding." Do behave, what sort of ill considered, emotive, political BS, statement is that, the vast majority DON'T! You don't get 90,000, or even 20,000 Pheasant attacking crops, If you did you would find a Shoot Manger looking for a job and a bankrupt owner! Edited April 24, 2016 by Dekers Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dekers Posted April 24, 2016 Report Share Posted April 24, 2016 read what you said in the posts i replied to I think I see, perhaps I was word blind last night. My apologies if you were referring to my use of all birds, that was too wide! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dekers Posted April 24, 2016 Report Share Posted April 24, 2016 Wrong, the rockets work very well and move them off the crops if needed and they rarely return for some time , if at all. If over done they will cause the geese to leave the whole area. So, whos fault is it you don't have any geese left, you have just given others the problem! If I said to my clients don't worry about the rats and mice and fox and Canada Geese etc etc I'll just scare them away to the neighbours, they would quite rightly think I was mad! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kent Posted April 24, 2016 Report Share Posted April 24, 2016 I live next to an internationally important giant duck pond with everything from the occasional Osprey to 50000 gulls. There are so many twitchers here that local farmers are reluctant to control even the crows. I asked Avon and S for ALQ and they said what else would you want to shoot other than pests? Don't get confused a lot of the twitchers and interest groups - even rspb support killing carrion crows The rspb have even supplied larsen traps round here Besides a few TV crackpots who think you can transport carion crows off thier territory. A lot of wardens and hands on the ground guys know all to well that control is required of corvids Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
anser2 Posted April 24, 2016 Report Share Posted April 24, 2016 So, whos fault is it you don't have any geese left, you have just given others the problem! If I said to my clients don't worry about the rats and mice and fox and Canada Geese etc etc I'll just scare them away to the neighbours, they would quite rightly think I was mad! Rocket scaring will scare the geese off a roost , but they do not move out of the county just the local area and I very much doubt if any reached your area. Geese will rarely flight more than 20 miles to a feeding field and in the case of canadas most of the feeding is done within a mile or two of the roost. And i do shoot inland across marshes to both the east and west of my county as well as the coast. and have assess to around ten areas that use to hold Canadas, but unfortunetly its rare to see any now on any of them these days. One lake used to hold 2,000 + back in the 70s , but only a handful these days after over shooting. We did have two pairs turn up on a farm we shoot on a few years ago and some **** shot them in the middle of the breeding season when they flighted over his land. End of the local population ! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bullet1747 Posted April 24, 2016 Report Share Posted April 24, 2016 One off the fields I go on have about five hundred one day then there on lakes the next Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Penelope Posted April 25, 2016 Report Share Posted April 25, 2016 I know that they can cause problems in certain areas, but I fail to see why they were put on GL. Why just apply for a indivual licence from DEFRA to control them at problem spots as before. I very much doubt that they would be a problem in getting them to issue. Canada's, a valued sporting species, demoted to a pest and being clobbered year round in some areas. In one area I know there numbers have dropped considerably. Here speaks a man that has not lived near an urban pond or lake - a typical example is in south Manchester at Bramhall Hall - it used to be a pleasant walk with or without the dog until the canadas moved in, now it is impossible to walk within 25m of the water as it is a sea of mud (they have eaten all the green) covered to about 10mm with goose carp there are so many. Another example is, or was the pool in Poynton, same problem. In both cases the problem grew because no one could (or would) control them until things got out of hand. Very little to do with RSPB, more to do with them breeding faster than rabbits and the attitude of the mumsnet woolly bunny brigade. No doubt RSPB would like to see them gone but ban awful lot of others would be in front of them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Penelope Posted April 25, 2016 Report Share Posted April 25, 2016 I guess some would consider that an acceptable outcome. Rocket scaring will scare the geese off a roost , but they do not move out of the county just the local area and I very much doubt if any reached your area. Geese will rarely flight more than 20 miles to a feeding field and in the case of canadas most of the feeding is done within a mile or two of the roost. And i do shoot inland across marshes to both the east and west of my county as well as the coast. and have assess to around ten areas that use to hold Canadas, but unfortunetly its rare to see any now on any of them these days. One lake used to hold 2,000 + back in the 70s , but only a handful these days after over shooting. We did have two pairs turn up on a farm we shoot on a few years ago and some **** shot them in the middle of the breeding season when they flighted over his land. End of the local population ! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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