wokkywokky Posted April 23, 2016 Report Share Posted April 23, 2016 one of my permissions has a rabbit problem which i am tackling but i am thinking i might be more effective with a 22lr or even better 17hmr to do the job without having to be so stealthy and stalk the rabbits. My question is is there a way of checking if the land has been cleared for FAC? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
walshie Posted April 23, 2016 Report Share Posted April 23, 2016 You can phone the firearms enquiry team, but they can be funny sometimes. When I had a closed ticket, the Met and Surrey Police would just tell me over the phone what calibre (if any) a bit of land had been cleared for. I've heard some forces won't divulge that info. Can't hurt to try. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wokkywokky Posted April 23, 2016 Author Report Share Posted April 23, 2016 Thanks Walshie. I will call up on Monday. How do you inform them the details of the various parcels of land? Are just the farm details enough or would i need to email them a map showing the boundaries? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bruno22rf Posted April 23, 2016 Report Share Posted April 23, 2016 The Landowner would know surely? BTW - if you want to clear Rabbits then the .22lr using subs and a mod is the way to go. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wokkywokky Posted April 23, 2016 Author Report Share Posted April 23, 2016 The Landowner would know surely? BTW - if you want to clear Rabbits then the .22lr using subs and a mod is the way to go. when you say the land owner will know what exactly do you mean? If i am making the enquiry with the FEO then its up to me to know. The farmer has shown we around the farm and we have documented the land and he has signed a decleration giving me permission on certain quarry. How do you convey this to the FEO? Do they ask for map coordinates, or maybe they search the land registry for land belonging to the farm, or maybe they need me to submit a map? I am favouring the 17hmr for the range and flatter trajectory. Why would the 22lr with subs be better? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
69chris Posted April 23, 2016 Report Share Posted April 23, 2016 hmr was just too noisy for my permissions, one shot and the remaining lot bounded away !!! plus give the ammo cost differences id go for a moderated 22 with subs all day long Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
la bala Posted April 23, 2016 Report Share Posted April 23, 2016 If you are applying for FAC , in your application you will be asked where you intend to use the rifle, it is then up to them to tell you yey or nay. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wokkywokky Posted April 23, 2016 Author Report Share Posted April 23, 2016 hmr was just too noisy for my permissions, one shot and the remaining lot bounded away !!! plus give the ammo cost differences id go for a moderated 22 with subs all day long Thanks Chris. Is 22 more prone to richocet than 17hmr? Would having both calibres on a new application lower my chances of being granted? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wokkywokky Posted April 23, 2016 Author Report Share Posted April 23, 2016 If you are applying for FAC , in your application you will be asked where you intend to use the rifle, it is then up to them to tell you yey or nay. La Bala would including details of all the permissions I have be the way to go? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
la bala Posted April 23, 2016 Report Share Posted April 23, 2016 La Bala would including details of all the permissions I have be the way to go? I would include all permissions. Get yourself some maps with with boundaries and grid references. Google Gridfinder you can print off your permissions, gridfinder also has a measuring tool, so you will know your distances also. good luck with your application. Also its .22 with subs for me, have had a slot for .17 4 years now, have never found the need for one. At the end of the day its your choice. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oowee Posted April 23, 2016 Report Share Posted April 23, 2016 Somerset and Avon ask me for the name and address of each farm together with contact details of the farmer. They do go out and look some times, but have no idea of the boundaries. If they check on the national register the framer may have bought or sold some land since it was registered. If I send in a 646 form they want it signed prior to checking but if i call in they will check whilst on the phone. Its all a bit random from what I can see. Advice from BASC to me was to make the application with only one perm to get it approved and then go back with other land as if there are a few it could delay approval. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kyska Posted April 23, 2016 Report Share Posted April 23, 2016 The Landowner would know surely? BTW - if you want to clear Rabbits then the .22lr using subs and a mod is the way to go. The rimfire roundabout, if I never touched a .22lr again I wouldn't cry. For me, the HMR is the tool, I've found rabbits freeze and have no idea where the noise is from, the thud of the .22 is loud, but more so the ricochet issue on my land is chronic, my 17 screams off enough, let alone the .22 OP, you should get both, one for longer shots, the other for shorter range. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kalahari Posted April 23, 2016 Report Share Posted April 23, 2016 Just apply for an open ticket. All this closed ticker stuff is a real pain. Get all your paperwork in line and explain that as you are legally responsible for what happens when you pull the trigger, and you certainly are, the ground being "cleared" really has no real relevance. Yours (in Grumpiness), David. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kent Posted April 23, 2016 Report Share Posted April 23, 2016 Thanks Chris. Is 22 more prone to richocet than 17hmr? Would having both calibres on a new application lower my chances of being granted? Not so any fragmentation potential is dismissed as it carries twice the energy. Trust me I had a few with hmr and it's a myth not to be trusted The thing about ricochets is they are unpredictable The hmr hated rushes and such the 22 hard surfaces. The think is the 22 normally betrays it ricochets with the noise of a balustically inefficient squared lump of lead whistling - think on that one 22 subs moderator and sensible sight has been the best rabbit killer for about 100 years. I don't with for my hmr back but you might have to pry my 22 from my cold dead hands to get it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wokkywokky Posted April 23, 2016 Author Report Share Posted April 23, 2016 thanks guys. i think im gonna put in for both 22 and 17 on the application. If i were to only put down one of my permissions as oowee suggested could my application be rejected on the grounds that the land is not suitable (this is of course if the ticket is on a closed basis, if its open ticket then no problem)? Or would i be given the opportunity that my land is not cleared and asked if i have any further land that requires bunny bashing? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oowee Posted April 23, 2016 Report Share Posted April 23, 2016 Just put in the most suitable piece as a starter for ten. Here they have signed off my garden (i am in a rural area) for .22lr. When they come round you can talk about other locations too. They agreed my land here (subject to me getting a licence) during the visit. It took me up to 3 months to get all my other land signed off. Mostly as I sent in unsigned 686 forms as I dont believe they need to be signed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kent Posted April 24, 2016 Report Share Posted April 24, 2016 Put down the best. Wait for the rest It's a joke really there is no safe land when you get right down to it the shooter is the limiting factor Just a warning for a new guy. It seems there is a learning curve that runs Stage 1. Over cautious Stage 2 Over confident Stage 3 Over the worst Stage 4 Over the hill Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wokkywokky Posted April 24, 2016 Author Report Share Posted April 24, 2016 thanks for all your comments. can anyone recommend a good website or book that provides useful information for a rifle shooter. I have man many years of experiance with air rifles and over two years of shotgun ownership and shooting but rimfire experiance is none. I need to get a good grounding in risk assessing and proving that i am a safe shot. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kent Posted April 24, 2016 Report Share Posted April 24, 2016 Perhaps post an idea of your location? There might be someone of Experiance who might help guide you Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
la bala Posted April 24, 2016 Report Share Posted April 24, 2016 Perhaps post an idea of your location? There might be someone of Experiance who might help guide you Good advice. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wokkywokky Posted April 24, 2016 Author Report Share Posted April 24, 2016 Im based in Sandy, Bedfordshire. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wokkywokky Posted April 25, 2016 Author Report Share Posted April 25, 2016 In addition to this would it be possible and worth adding FAC shotgun to my application, or am I asking for too much too soon? Anyone in the Beds/Cambs area that would be willing to guide me would be very much appreciated Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kent Posted April 26, 2016 Report Share Posted April 26, 2016 Only ask for what you need now. You are better not presenting them with a shopping list they might question. Few if any need more than 2 +1 anyhow Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
superspark Posted April 27, 2016 Report Share Posted April 27, 2016 (edited) I have shot many rabbits over the years and my .22rf moderated rifle is a cheap way to go. I have put through the barrel thousands of rounds over the years with the odd ricochet here and there. Good back stops are paramount regardless of what round or calibre you are using. I quite like CCI segmented ammo in the .22 as it brakes up on impact.as for your application, as long as you have a signed letter from the farmer including name, postcode and phone number the feo will check his records to see if land is cleared and for what calibre. If not yet checked a site visit will be in order and it will usually go from there Edited April 27, 2016 by superspark Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kent Posted April 27, 2016 Report Share Posted April 27, 2016 It don't in my Experiance the front breaks into section 3 off memory and the back lump stays as one. Very lethal on the terminals proper bang flop kills No bullet can beat the ricochet some mitigate things but none can be given any leeway for supposed features Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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