foxbasher Posted June 16, 2016 Report Share Posted June 16, 2016 Morning all, im toying with the idea of getting one of these to go on my .223 for foxing but have yet to see on in the flesh yet. Are they any good? Do they hold zero ok? Ive seen on the net that the new ones have electronically adjustable reticle and that some shooters need to fit adjustable mounts to keep the reticle centered. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robbiep Posted June 16, 2016 Report Share Posted June 16, 2016 I've got the 4.6*42 version, currently mounted on my 22LR - though it's mounted on the 223 in winter, when I do most of my foxing. It holds zero perfectly. The reticule on mine is electronically adjustable (I think it's just the Mk 1's which have turrets) so when you adjust the zero you do move it within the display screen. As such, yes, you could find that the crosshairs might be close to the edge / top / bottom of the screen, which would mean either shimming or adjustable mounts. I've probably put 50-80 rounds through it on the 223, and it never lost zero. 200-300 through it on the 22LR, and the same. I was out shooting with someone who has a Mk.1 Photon the other week - the later the one you get, the better. Where he had a doubler, additional IR, I was working off the standard unit and in-built IR on the lowest (1 out of 3) settings, and I probably had a better image. In low light (really late dusk or good moonlight) I barely need the IR on at all. Image quality is great. I do foxing out to 150-170 yards on the 223, rabbiting out to 80 yards or so with the LR, and have always found target ID to be perfectly adequate. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
foxbasher Posted June 16, 2016 Author Report Share Posted June 16, 2016 (edited) Thanks robbiep, sounds like it may be worth me parting with a bit of cash then (when I can get some together that is) Are the doublers easy to fit? Can they be put on and taken off as needed? Edited June 16, 2016 by foxbasher Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robbiep Posted June 16, 2016 Report Share Posted June 16, 2016 (edited) Mine is just on normal 30mm Hawke mid-height mounts. Nothing special at all. Took me a few minutes to take off the 223 and put on the 22LR, then used 10 rounds out in the field to check and adjust zero, and ready to go. No idea on the doublers, sorry. Edited June 16, 2016 by robbiep Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WelshMike Posted June 16, 2016 Report Share Posted June 16, 2016 Doublers are easy to fit. Just a case of screwing a plastic sleeve onto the doubler lens then sliding it onto the front of the scope. Just be warned that POI will shift when you put the doubler on. Mine shot 8" right and 6" high when I fitted the doubler, no issues after re zeroing though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
foxbasher Posted June 16, 2016 Author Report Share Posted June 16, 2016 If given a choice, would you people rather a ns200 or the photon. I like the photon but can see the advantage of a unit I can interchange between scoped rifles. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robbiep Posted June 16, 2016 Report Share Posted June 16, 2016 Photon. Hugely less cumbersome and clumsy. I've got a NS200 sitting in it's box. Have used it on air rifles and the 22LR before I got the photon, not used it since. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldypigeonpopper Posted June 16, 2016 Report Share Posted June 16, 2016 hello, i have 2 MK 1s and the best n/v scope for the money you can buy and use, with 3 year warranty Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldypigeonpopper Posted June 16, 2016 Report Share Posted June 16, 2016 hello, i have 2 MK 1s and the best n/v scope for the money you can buy and use, with 3 year warranty and you can make it have a better clarity by putting a front cap with 10/25 mm hole and a T38 I/R torch Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billytheghillie Posted June 16, 2016 Report Share Posted June 16, 2016 Doublers are easy to fit. Just a case of screwing a plastic sleeve onto the doubler lens then sliding it onto the front of the scope. Just be warned that POI will shift when you put the doubler on. Mine shot 8" right and 6" high when I fitted the doubler, no issues after re zeroing though. Does this not invalidate the warranty? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Footu Posted June 16, 2016 Report Share Posted June 16, 2016 I love the photon but a new one is coming out with a built in rangefinder. Much better as it's hard to judge range at night.when they are commonplace the version I have will no doubt drop in price. Also on the current version I find you don't need a doubler. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harry Callahan Posted June 16, 2016 Report Share Posted June 16, 2016 I love the photon but a new one is coming out with a built in rangefinder. Much better as it's hard to judge range at night.when they are commonplace the version I have will no doubt drop in price. Also on the current version I find you don't need a doubler. Any idea when it's coming out? Old models getting cheap sounds GOOD! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldypigeonpopper Posted June 16, 2016 Report Share Posted June 16, 2016 Does this not invalidate the warranty? I love the photon but a new one is coming out with a built in rangefinder. Much better as it's hard to judge range at night.when they are commonplace the version I have will no doubt drop in price. Also on the current version I find you don't need a doubler. hello, that is good news i shall try find out when they will be available although i do like my MK 1s , not so with the XT reticule system hello, that is good news i shall try find out when they will be available although i do like my MK 1s , not so with the XT reticule system i do not find the need for a doubler but it might be ideal with a HMR .177 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldypigeonpopper Posted June 16, 2016 Report Share Posted June 16, 2016 hello, i have 2 MK 1s and the best n/v scope for the money you can buy and use, with 3 year warranty i know thomas jacks keep a batch of MK 1s just in case of warranty issues and have to replace the unit but once there gone most will have bought the XT Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
foxbasher Posted June 17, 2016 Author Report Share Posted June 17, 2016 Thanks all, this is a great help. Im gonna scrape some money together over the next few weeks and take the plunge with the photon 6.5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WelshMike Posted June 17, 2016 Report Share Posted June 17, 2016 I am amused by the fact that adding a piece of glass to the front invalidates the warranty. In reality if a unit failed for an unconnected fault I doubt very much that Thomas Jacks or Scott Country would do anything other then replace it. It isnt worth the adverse press for the product. Fingers crossed I will not be the one to test the theory. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robbiep Posted June 17, 2016 Report Share Posted June 17, 2016 I am amused by the fact that adding a piece of glass to the front invalidates the warranty. In reality if a unit failed for an unconnected fault I doubt very much that Thomas Jacks or Scott Country would do anything other then replace it. It isnt worth the adverse press for the product. Fingers crossed I will not be the one to test the theory. I'd agree. Much like 'chipping' a car engine might invalidate the warranty if a fault could be shown as down to the chipping, or if it caused the gearbox to tear itself apart, a fault needs to be related to the modification to give the supplier good reason to invalidate. So swapping out the CCD, taking it apart to change the built-in IR ... all of those, yes, warranty out of the window. But adding a doubler is no different to adding a supplemental IR onto the side mounts already provided. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WelshMike Posted June 17, 2016 Report Share Posted June 17, 2016 Don't shoot the messanger We wouldnt do such a thing buddy I was well aware of the risk of voiding the warranty when I fitted it, just find it funny that the people who sell the units sell a doubler and then try and imply that the fitment of such a doubler will void the warranty. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robbiep Posted June 17, 2016 Report Share Posted June 17, 2016 Don't shoot the messanger Apologies if it came out that way - certainly wasn't intended. It's amusing how lots of companies, in all sorts of products, try claiming that any modifications will invalidate the warranty. They know it's not true, most of the time. A friend had a Volvo a few years ago. He wanted to get the official 'Polestar' performance pack supplied and fitted by a dealer (not the dealer who supplied the car), who tried telling him that as they hadn't supplied the car AND the performance pack his car warranty would be void. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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