JDog Posted January 24, 2017 Report Share Posted January 24, 2017 Lead shot soaring? Isn't that what its supposed to do? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Perazzishot Posted January 24, 2017 Report Share Posted January 24, 2017 I don't think anyone will shoot less because the price goes up £30 / 1000. I've spent £410 on a 1000 and currently get Propers at £270 / 1000 for 36/4s. Which are better than the premium brands! I'll feel it as I'm using easily 30k a year. on game and clays. In the grand scheme of things it changes my annual spend from £8100 to £9000 over a year I'll be spending £17.31a week more on cartridges! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Simuk Posted January 25, 2017 Report Share Posted January 25, 2017 I don't think anyone will shoot less because the price goes up £30 / 1000. I've spent £410 on a 1000 and currently get Propers at £270 / 1000 for 36/4s. Which are better than the premium brands! I'll feel it as I'm using easily 30k a year. on game and clays. In the grand scheme of things it changes my annual spend from £8100 to £9000 over a year I'll be spending £17.31a week more on cartridges! Glad you can afford that Perazzi, then again i take it you own a nice shotgun from your name. If money is no object then price rises mean nothing. Sadly they mean everything to me as I work a low paying job. My poor old Browning 325 will have to eat what i can afford to shove down it's throat. Glad i'm now a reloader to be honest. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wymberley Posted January 25, 2017 Report Share Posted January 25, 2017 i dare not sell componets quite simply as i do not know at this present what they will cost to replace thats why the prices have been removed Is it not possible to price your existing stock on the basis of what you paid for it and then in the event that prices rise increase those prices accordingly? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
propercartridges Posted January 25, 2017 Author Report Share Posted January 25, 2017 Is it not possible to price your existing stock on the basis of what you paid for it and then in the event that prices rise increase those prices accordingly? yes i can but it takes 1.5 kilo of powder to make approx 1000 carts and i try to make £ 30 to £35 per 1000 so can i make that amount of selling the powder and not making the carts the answer is no but there again if i take deal for deal yes but how can you have 2 pallets of carts one priced at say 190 and self and same at 210 one is made of old money and the other is new but same carts so i am been very carefull what i make for fear of putting money in the wrong place Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
propercartridges Posted January 25, 2017 Author Report Share Posted January 25, 2017 i phoned on a deal yesterday on £ 70 000 and got bid 1.15 on the euro to day i see 1.16 that 1 cent is 70 000 cents is 700 euros more when does it stop any body want to flog me euros at say 1.20 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
propercartridges Posted January 25, 2017 Author Report Share Posted January 25, 2017 Looks like clay n game will be getting my reddies at the shooting show then flip a coin and pay him now coz next month lead will be up go and take out all your savings and buy wot you can afford bits and bobs is worth more money in the bank just lisen to a old man Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
propercartridges Posted January 25, 2017 Author Report Share Posted January 25, 2017 Glad you can afford that Perazzi, then again i take it you own a nice shotgun from your name. If money is no object then price rises mean nothing. Sadly they mean everything to me as I work a low paying job. My poor old Browning 325 will have to eat what i can afford to shove down it's throat. Glad i'm now a reloader to be honest. good statement but can you reload at todays prices give us a list and prices on say a 32 gram 6 just lay it all out all pats measurements and prices inc vat wot u pay forget your time but include any postage or fuel you have to pay to get the components Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
propercartridges Posted January 25, 2017 Author Report Share Posted January 25, 2017 go on lme lead to day £ 1924 was on 6 of jan £1650 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rbrowning2 Posted January 25, 2017 Report Share Posted January 25, 2017 Making your own shot is frequently mentioned on the forum then savings when reloading must be good given the difference in price between scrap lead and shot. I don't mind buying shot to load for my 28ga as they are expensive cartridges and I enjoy the hobby and get the cartridges I want especially as it is getting very expensive for the shop/rfd to stock a large range. But my local rfd is a shooting friend and I know he does not make much on the majority of cartridges your £30 to £35 per 1000 profit is typically some 3 times the profit the shop gets how is that justifiable? He has always said it it the manufactures or distributors that are making the large profits looks like he is correct. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
propercartridges Posted January 25, 2017 Author Report Share Posted January 25, 2017 those 2 prices at£ 274 per ton difference loading say 31250 loads for 32 gram is £ 8 .76p plus vat per 1000 on these 25 days in january alone Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
propercartridges Posted January 25, 2017 Author Report Share Posted January 25, 2017 Making your own shot is frequently mentioned on the forum then savings when reloading must be good given the difference in price between scrap lead and shot. I don't mind buying shot to load for my 28ga as they are expensive cartridges and I enjoy the hobby and get the cartridges I want especially as it is getting very expensive for the shop/rfd to stock a large range. But my local rfd is a shooting friend and I know he does not make much on the majority of cartridges your £30 to £35 per 1000 profit is typically some 3 times the profit the shop gets how is that justifiable? He has always said it it the manufactures or distributors that are making the large profits looks like he is correct. they tell me the norm in manafacturing is 30 per cent on a cart at 200 the vat man is making more than me thats 166 plus vat i am on less than 13 percent Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
propercartridges Posted January 25, 2017 Author Report Share Posted January 25, 2017 come on somebody give me a list of prices with bought shot as this is what this thread is about everything you have to buy on 12 gauge carts no other please primers wads plastic and fibre powder how much and price the lot on 32 gram Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rbrowning2 Posted January 25, 2017 Report Share Posted January 25, 2017 If I understand you £200 less 20% vat is £166 £166 less £35 your profit £131 cost to make Is about 27% profit £131 x 1.27 = £166 so not 13% Unless my maths is wrong. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
propercartridges Posted January 25, 2017 Author Report Share Posted January 25, 2017 catch you all later going to make sum 20 bore plastic 30 gram for scotland the noo shooting pigeons on friday and meeting some new victims anyboby want owt will be in dundee saturday 07714 323 909 only carts no reloading swag Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rbrowning2 Posted January 25, 2017 Report Share Posted January 25, 2017 I am paying £3.20 per kg on 50kg from fes, was £3.00 a few months back. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
propercartridges Posted January 25, 2017 Author Report Share Posted January 25, 2017 If I understand you £200 less 20% vat is £166 £166 less £35 your profit £131 cost to make Is about 27% profit £131 x 1.27 = £166 so not 13% Unless my maths is wrong. i said i like to make not making this is why i am asking for a reloading list of you chaps and include boxes per 1000 at 6 pound like me ink electric sellotape rubber stamps all costs please to put 1k carts in boxes on the floor I am paying £3.20 per kg on 50kg from fes, was £3.00 a few months back. go back now bonnie lad and dont forget your toilet paper Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rbrowning2 Posted January 25, 2017 Report Share Posted January 25, 2017 From fes website suggested load and "bulk" buying 12ga Shot 32x£3.20 £102.40 Plastic wads b&p £19.00 Powder 1.6 x£39.40 = £63.04 Primers £26.00 from bulk pack Total £210.44 If I was doing lots ofv12ga making the shot would be the way to go. If for decoyed pigeons I would be doing 28gm in 6 or 6.5 as 24gm in 6.5 for decoying works good in my 28ga Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rbrowning2 Posted January 25, 2017 Report Share Posted January 25, 2017 i said i like to make not making this is why i am asking for a reloading list of you chaps and include boxes per 1000 at 6 pound like me ink electric sellotape rubber stamps all costs please to put 1k carts in boxes on the floor go back now bonnie lad and dont forget your toilet paper It's £3.20 on this website so I would think that is still the current price but was waiting on 8 shot to arrive when I called a week back so have 25 of 6.5 reserved and 25kg of 8 to arrive. But may have to increase that given what you are saying about the rising cost of lead. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pinfireman Posted January 25, 2017 Report Share Posted January 25, 2017 So how much is steel now in bulk? I,m ok for lead for the foreseeable future, but could do with some steel.....how much for a ton? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
propercartridges Posted January 25, 2017 Author Report Share Posted January 25, 2017 From fes website suggested load and "bulk" buying 12ga Shot 32x£3.20 £102.40 Plastic wads b&p £19.00 Powder 1.6 x£39.40 = £63.04 Primers £26.00 from bulk pack Total £210.44 If I was doing lots ofv12ga making the shot would be the way to go. If for decoyed pigeons I would be doing 28gm in 6 or 6.5 as 24gm in 6.5 for decoying works good in my 28ga ok i will sell u all brand new delivered for that price in ready made carts with brand new cheddite cases with cx 2000 primer So how much is steel now in bulk? I,m ok for lead for the foreseeable future, but could do with some steel.....how much for a ton? sorry mr pinfire i no nowt about steel shot dont want it near my place Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buze Posted January 25, 2017 Report Share Posted January 25, 2017 A little while back I looked into reloading after all the remarks about it being cheaper. I pretty quickly concluded it was a really silly statement, unless you didn't have to buy the kit and or valued your own time at all. Personally I would love to use george's, but he seems to only cater for game loads. And quite frankly, with my wife we shot perhaps 300 game carts TOTAL over the season, so it's nowhere near enough. For CLAYS now, if anyone could beat the prices of CompX with the same quality ratio ( and size) I'd be interested, but it's unlikely anyway. As a secondary point, the fact we don't shoot a lot of game carts means that paying 10 quid more for a slab doesn't bother us too much ultimately. It's not being 'rich' but it's per /year/. Do anyone on the forum shoots more than 1K game carts during the season, I means as a 'person' not a syndicate. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rbrowning2 Posted January 25, 2017 Report Share Posted January 25, 2017 My reloading is a hobby in its self and just like any hobby I get great pleasure and satisfaction from it so do not value my time in pound shillings and pence which is true of any hobby or pastime is it not. It is possible to save money loading your own especially the small gauges and you get a better choice of shot sizes. It is obvious to save money on 12ga then making your own shot needs to be part of the hobby then 32kg of shot from scrap lead becomes say £42 rather than currently £102 saving £60 on a thousand cartridges so now £150.44 George if you can deliver them to anybodies door at that price you should be very busy. It is all relative if lead is increasing in price like you say then it must only be a matter of time before it filters through to the price of all cartridges in the shops or manufactures/retailers absorp the extra cost and make less profit until just like BT shares it falls again. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Simuk Posted January 26, 2017 Report Share Posted January 26, 2017 good statement but can you reload at todays prices give us a list and prices on say a 32 gram 6 just lay it all out all pats measurements and prices inc vat wot u pay forget your time but include any postage or fuel you have to pay to get the components I mainly shoot clays and the odd vermin, 32gram carts are of no interest to me. I should also note that I drop my own shot from lead I aquire for free. Even at that I only save maybe 50 pence on a box of shells, but that is not why I do it. I make my own shells because I enjoy the process, nothing more. If I save a few quid along the way happy days, from the sounds of things that few quid ia only going to increase Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
figgy Posted January 26, 2017 Report Share Posted January 26, 2017 George it looks about time you made your own shot tower or lead shot dripper. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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