Game v pigeon cartridges?

[dodeer]

Yes but I have been around all locally viable outlets and none stock them.

 

Blackpowder

Buy from Just Cartridges then or drive to a county with decent shops

[washerboy]

Sure gamebore do a cheap game cartridge that will suit your needs, green plastic if I remember correctly

[getthegat]

Anybody used Fiocchi? Seen some 5s and 6s in 32grm for about £130

[8 shot]

Yes Fiocchi 32g no.6 pigeons as good as any Gamebore 32g including Blackgold

[dodeer]

Anybody used Fiocchi? Seen some 5s and 6s in 32grm for about £130

For how many is that?

[wymberley]

There's loads of Pigeon loads in 21/2".

 

Problem is most people don't use old side by side now so most stuff is made in 23/4"

I ask because I don't know. Would they be true 2&1/2 (65mm) or 67 or 67.5mm?

[dodeer]

I ask because I don't know. Would they be true 2&1/2 (65mm) or 67 or 67.5mm?

Most 67mm- seems the English produced are 65mm like Pigeon Special , where as Fiocchi or RC are 67mm etc

[panoma1]

So apart from the printing on the case, I take it no one knows of any difference? The consensus of opinion seems to be that there is no difference, therefore it is fair to assume it is solely a marketing con!.....I suspected as much!

[dodeer]

So apart from the printing on the case, I take it no one knows of any difference? The consensus of opinion seems to be that there is no difference, therefore it is fair to assume it is solely a marketing con!.....I suspected as much!

I guess it's better quality lead, wads, etc..

[wymberley]

So apart from the printing on the case, I take it no one knows of any difference? The consensus of opinion seems to be that there is no difference, therefore it is fair to assume it is solely a marketing con!.....I suspected as much!

The only way to be certain is to do a controlled mortality trial involving 1,000s of shots which isn't going to happen. For all practical purposes at the more normal ranges, as per the posts above. But I do believe that a better quality shot will come into its own at the more extended ranges while remaining applicable to any given shot size. The only way to check what you've got is to open a couple up to see what's what and then go to the pattern plate which isn't going to happen.

 

So, yep, "no one knows.".

Edited April 18, 2017 by wymberley

[Mr.C]

I ask because I don't know. Would they be true 2&1/2 (65mm) or 67 or 67.5mm?

I'd heard that 67mm carts are fine in English 2.5" chambers. Not true in mine. I dropped a shot TT1 in and it was as couple of mm proud. Edited April 18, 2017 by Mr.C

[ChrisPCarter]

Try Fiocchi PL28, PL30, PL32 they are excellent game cartridges at pigeon prices IMHO.

They are all 67mm suitable for 2.5".

I use the PL32 5's for pigeons and crows when they are a bit further out from the decoys and they knock them flat.

They are a step up from the basic Pigeon range and all Italian sizes so half a size bigger.

 

Available from Just Cartridges or about £50 to £60 a slab at other dealers.

http://www.justcartridges.com/cartridge-info/FI/Fiocchi/

 

If you want some "posh" game cartridges try their Golden Pheasant ones they are superb.

As good as Black Gold but smoother and far cheaper.

[Guest cookoff013]

I'd heard that 67mm carts are fine in English 2.5" chambers. Not true in mine. I dropped a shot TT1 in and it was as couple of mm proud.

 

the cip states that the shells are interchangable as the minimum requirement for a 65mm chamber is actually 65mm+2mm so they are "safe". however if your 65mm chamber is actually 65mm chamber then it shouldnt be marked as such, you could have the chamber measured to see if the 65mm +2mm is true with your english gun.

however the +2mm is on all chambers 76mm chambers are actually 78mm minumum.

its all in the cip guidelines.

[kenholland]

eley impax are a good pigeon shell 67mm been using them for years in my 1891 hammer gun.

[Mr.C]

 

the cip states that the shells are interchangable as the minimum requirement for a 65mm chamber is actually 65mm+2mm so they are "safe". however if your 65mm chamber is actually 65mm chamber then it shouldnt be marked as such, you could have the chamber measured to see if the 65mm +2mm is true with your english gun.

however the +2mm is on all chambers 76mm chambers are actually 78mm minumum.

its all in the cip guidelines.

 

It's nitro proofed so expect it complies with regs but will measure. I was concerned with the extra muzzle pressure if the spent shell extended past the chamber on an old gun. Have used CompX carts with no ill effects.

Edited April 20, 2017 by Mr.C

[panoma1]

It's nitro proofed so expect it complies with regs but will measure. I was concerned with the extra muzzle pressure if the spent shell extended past the chamber on an old gun. Have used CompX carts with no ill effects.

I would think squeezing the wad past the case mouth protruding into the forcing cone would increase breech pressure not muzzle pressure?

[Mr.C]

I would think squeezing the wad past the case mouth protruding into the forcing cone would increase breech pressure not muzzle pressure?

Correct, after trying to post from a train on my phone many times confusion reigned