Perazzi v Beretta

[figgy]

The Perazzi are light in the barrels compared to the DT11 and will have faster handling. The triggers will be virtually the same crispness and can both be fetters to your likeness.

 

I like Betettas but don't like the looks of the DT11 painted action. Value for money the DT11 but only the man with the money to chose handling both could make the choice as both will do all you need.

 

I prefer the handling and looks of the K80 super sport with the Parcours adjustable stock.

IPS what's your 12k Beretta you got me curious as I love the SO5.

[Whitebridges]

A lot of whinging from non p fans who can't get hold of import and distribution and therefore money.

A blind man can notice that p guns win the top level comps. GD ?

[Whitebridges]

 

 

I do accept the trigger is a weak point on the 682 series but the reason is almost certainly down to mass production constraints which of course the P guns (being very low volume) do not suffer from.

 

 

A gun with a **** trigger should be consigned to the rubbish tip in this context.

Edited May 16, 2017 by Whitebridges

[Will Poon]

I think George could use any gun regardless of make.

[bunnykiller]

if I was spending my hard earned cash the beretta would be the last one I would pick up.

12 grand for an entry Krieghoff or 9 for a perazzi?

I would quite happily live on beans for a year to own a new K80 super sport.

[Will Poon]

You'll be starve on beans for a year shaun I know you would..lol

[Hamster]

 

I do accept the trigger is a weak point on the 682 series but the reason is almost certainly down to mass production constraints which of course the P guns (being very low volume) do not suffer from.

 

 

A gun with a **** trigger should be consigned to the rubbish tip in this context.

 

The 682e cost less than a third of the P gun, that was the point, I have always criticised what needed criticising on the 682e, the trigger and the barrel selector (as in the old 682) are imperfect but that doesn't mean it can't cane the backside of all sorts of fancy guns with crisp triggers. In use they don't have anywhere near as many breakdowns and issues as a typical P gun.

 

In practice you simply don't even notice these things, shot guns are nothing like rifles to shoot. GD was wiping the board with a 30" old spec 682, then a Kemen and then Perazzi grew brain cells and signed him and it has transformed their gun sales worldwide especially ESP, Perazzi are very clever in this regard because they have the clout to sign anyone who is anyone and waddayouknow their guns keep winning, what a surprise.

A lot of whinging from non p fans who can't get hold of import and distribution and therefore money.

A blind man can notice that p guns win the top level comps. GD ?

 

I don't know what that means.

[ips]

The Perazzi are light in the barrels compared to the DT11 and will have faster handling. The triggers will be virtually the same crispness and can both be fetters to your likeness.

 

I like Betettas but don't like the looks of the DT11 painted action. Value for money the DT11 but only the man with the money to chose handling both could make the choice as both will do all you need.

 

I prefer the handling and looks of the K80 super sport with the Parcours adjustable stock.

IPS what's your 12k Beretta you got me curious as I love the SO5.

DT10eell trap, I went to bywell to buy an SO5 they were 18k at the time and the rrp was 12k for the eell I liked the balance of the DT and could not see the extra 6k in the SO. Bit of a result as the DT was (according to bywel) the last 30" trap in the country and as the 11 was now being pushed by gmk it was priced to sell. I didn't pay 12k it was quite a bit under but that was the rrp at the time.

I could sell it tomorrow for probably more than I paid but the fact that I have my initials engraved with gold inlay on the trigger guard may be a problem 😉

 

Ps

I have shot SOs and Imo they don't shoot as well as a DT10. Inidentally again in my opinion the absolute very best handling trap gun from Beretta was the original ASE.

[Superposed]

I think George could use any gun regardless of make.

 

100%

 

A lot of whinging from non p fans who can't get hold of import and distribution and therefore money.

A blind man can notice that p guns win the top level comps. GD ?

 

GD used to shoot a Beretta 682 and won world competions with it before moving to Perazzi

[figgy]

Plenty shot 28" brownings and won comps. Wonder if they could still win today using those old guns?

[Scully]

These sort of threads always amuse, simply because when all is said and done, the decision comes down to a persons preference of choice.

I have no doubt that from an engineering point of view a mid range run of the mill Beretta is superior to any of my 101's, including my Grand European.

Would I swap any of them, or my no frills Perazzi for a high end Beretta? No, for the simple reason I find most Berettas ugly.

I have no doubt GD sings the praises of his Perazzi just as much as he did his Beretta, but then he's being paid to do so.

[grrclark]

These sort of threads always amuse, simply because when all is said and done, the decision comes down to a persons preference of choice.

Very much this.

 

Buy what you can afford and what works best for you, whether that be down to aesthetics, handling, brand association, status symbol, sentiment or whatever else.

 

Once you have it then embrace it and don't give any concern to what anyone else thinks because it is entirely irrelevant.

 

If people wish to pay tens of thousands of pounds, or more, because they can and it makes them smile then more power to their elbow, likewise the person who chose the bargain basement gun made from pig iron and old fence post. In terms of value to the respective individuals neither is better than the other.

 

Cost does not equate to value or worth as they are both relative to circumstance.

[figgy]

Very philosophical GrrClark.

 

So in your opinion as per the topic title which is better

Edited May 17, 2017 by figgy

[Hamster]

Whilst I agree with gist of what grrclark and Scully say this particular post is not about who likes what, the OP asks a legitimate question related to cost, is one worth double the other and it's perfectly possibly to argue that it is not, logically.

[grrclark]

Very philosophical GrrClark.

 

So in your opinion as per the topic title which is better

 

Hahaha not a clue as I shoot neither

 

As for the OP he decided it was the Beretta so that is the right answer for him.

[grrclark]

Whilst I agree with gist of what grrclark and Scully say this particular post is not about who likes what, the OP asks a legitimate question related to cost, is one worth double the other and it's perfectly possibly to argue that it is not, logically.

But worth is relative and entirely subjective.

 

You can argue from a cost of material and manufacture perspective of course, but would you apply that argument to art?

[Hamster]

But worth is relative and entirely subjective.

 

You can argue from a cost of material and manufacture perspective of course, but would you apply that argument to art?

 

He asked a specific cost related question with two named brands, I wouldn't know where to even begin with something as subjective as arts but with guns you can lay them down side by side and compare things objectively then shoot them (which will reveal neither is better), if necessary seek experienced advice regarding general reliability and longevity and then draw a conclusion as to whether one is worth double.

Edited May 17, 2017 by Hamster

[grrclark]

 

He asked a specific cost related question with two named brands, I wouldn't know where to even begin with something as subjective as arts but with guns you can lay them down side by side and compare things objectively then shoot them (which will reveal neither is better), if necessary seek experienced advice regarding general reliability and longevity and then draw a conclusion as to whether one is worth double.

I do understand where you are coming from, but worth is not an objective measure.

 

The comments on this thread show it.

 

There is not twice the material cost in a P gun and likely not twice the associated manufacture cost in terms of time, but there is a cost associated with scale and Beretta will benefit from having a massively wider product range with which to spread overhead cost.

 

There is also the value of the brand, Beretta are a lot like VW, an expansive product range with quality throughout the range, but no perceived exclusivity as every other person has one. Perazzi are perhaps more akin to Audi.

 

Is an A3 worth the premium over a Golf is a similar sort of question.

 

If you want a Perazzi then the answer is yes it is worth it, if you don't it's not.